discussions on gay marriage
It is simply a natural fact that you need a man and a woman to make a marriage and that a child’s heart longs for the love of both his or her mother and father.
For those of you who don’t know me, I like arguing, especially against factual inaccuracies and discrimination. I’m trying to temper my more sarcastic tendencies in the world of blogs and engage in fruitful discussions that help both me and the wrong people think about their opinions. It’s a demanding responsibility and one for which I have increasingly less time available. Bye-bye daily posting. And bye-bye my carefully crafted and thoroughly researched comments.
I’m currently engaged on a blog that provides loving advice for Christians on how to lovingly and with love deny homosexuals the right to marriage. Why I am the only person arguing against the thread of the conversation is beyond me. But now that it has reached three people throwing blatant rubbish at me that needs sensible but easy rebuttal, I’m thinking it’s time to open the floor to anyone else who wishes to join in. I’ve got a baby to take care of.
http://askthebigot.com/2013/04/02/if-gay-marriage-what-then/
But remember, everyone’s being nice about homosexuals being sinners who can’t look after children properly – so stick to politeness, people!
I’m glad you joined the conversation, Violetwisp. And I am the last person who would argue that a homosexual cannot look after children properly- because my mom was a great parent. I especially appreciate your willingness to scrutinize data which is something that is often overlooked in this discussion.
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Thanks for commenting and clarifying. I’m concerned that your blog only serves to justify the hatred-led bigoted points of view that so many people hold, in spite of your efforts to avoid this.
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That certainly is a danger as I see very few who walk the fine line of love and truth in this discussion. But if you scan through the comments, most visitors who are pro-man/woman marriage are thoughtful and use non-religious arguments for civil policy discussions.
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**cracks knuckles excitedly**
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I’ll be interested to see what the responses to your two hanging questions are – I can’t see any way out of that argument.
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I’m looking forward to that too.
I lived the fundamentalist apologist life for nearly a decade, so I feel like I have a leg up when it comes to deconstructing that brand of reasoning.
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I’m probably going keep interaction limited. Trying not to drink tonight 🙂
But, I made a quick comment and followed other comments.
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Oh well, at least you made an effort to get involved. I’m not sure you swayed opinion one way or the other though. 🙂
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The post is on studies of gay parenting. I don’t have the knowledge to assess them. I have mentioned recently Orwell’s account of how he is driven to the argument from authority even arguing that the world is round. The post includes two people claiming a bad experience from gay parenting, and I cannot deny their experience, though my experience of straight parenting was difficult. I will stick to the Biblical passages arguments as far as the debate on equal marriage goes, because I have done the reading.
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But that’s a perfect point! I could tear apart my experience of good Christian heterosexual parenting, by lovely, lovely people who did their absolute best. Even if you could make a decision based on individual accounts, the ‘bad’ experience I read had nothing that I wouldn’t expect in a similar heterosexual upbringing. There was nothing about the gay aspect of the parenting that was relevant. If that’s the best they can come up with … I mean, imagine the stories of heterosexual parenting that could be thrown around.
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I’m sorry that you have to deal with ignorant bigots but I hope you’re enjoying arguing, at least. Hang in there, you’re doing a good deed! Perhaps I’ll join you if time permits.
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I hope you can. Thankfully a few other people have jumped in. I feel very uncomfortable reading blogs where no-one is challenging attitudes that are obviously harmful. As no-one ever challenges what I say, I can only conclude I’m right all the time! 🙂
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Turn that around, violetwisp and recall that nobody but nobody challenged God in all the centuries homosexual activity has been condemned taking evidence from natural moral law and Sacred Scripture; the very idea that two men or two women could marry each other would have been laughed at for the absurdity that it is. Very few challenge these ideas now since those of us who do are labelled bigots and even nominated to be given an award for it! Very tolerant – NOT!
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Thanks for commenting. I don’t really understanding where you’re coming from with this, as I don’t see the human race and laws that we develop being fixed. For this reason you’ll find that slavery was supported by society generally and many religious organisations for centuries; women were generally denied any decision-making powers by society generally and many religious organisations (still are, to a great extent within your branch of Christianity); it was standard practise to to discipline children with varying grades of what is now deemed physical abuse in many societies and by many religious organisations.
There is no such thing as ‘natural moral law’. There are are areas we broadly agree on, being sociable animals who require co-operation and empathy for survival, but these are constantly changing as we learn more about the world around us. It isn’t natural moral law as once claimed the that white man ruled over others. We have learned that slaves aren’t subhuman and that all people deserve equal footing. It isn’t natural moral law that men have more rights and take charge of the world. We have learned that women can make decisions, vote and be leaders, only very recently. It isn’t natural moral law that children need to be whipped into ‘good’ behaviour. We have learned that children respond better to positive reinforcement of desirable behaviours.
As same sex relationships have been able to finally develop in open society, most people are learning that same sex expression of love and commitment is just as valid as that of heterosexual relationships. I see some people are still choosing to ignore the evidence.
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I’ll stay away..you know]me, I get into enough es aitch ione T as it is..
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Thanks for your meaningful, socially aware articles, writings, and aspirations! May Nature bring you all prosperity and peace!
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