Scientific Discovery Of The Sin Nature
I find the reasoning in this post just so depressingly ignorant that I can’t bring myself to even comment. I do generally like the author Becky though, which makes the whole harmful worldview even more incomprehensible. Wake up and see the real world!!
Last Sunday on 60 Minutes Lesley Stahl did an investigative piece on a Yale baby lab which studies the human condition. The scientists who discovered how to determine a baby’s preferences when he is as young as three months old have been studying whether or not a baby has a sense of right and wrong—in other words, whether they have a sense of morality.
And the answer is, yes, resoundingly.
Wesley chose the good guy [puppet] and he wasn’t alone.
More than three fourths of the babies tested reached for the nice puppet. Wynn tried it out on even younger babies, 3 month olds, who can’t control their arms enough to reach. But they can vote with their eyes, since research has shown that even very young babies look longer at things they like. Daisy here looked at the mean puppet for 5 seconds; then switched to the nice one…
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“And yet, this study basically says what the Bible has said about Mankind all along. We are made in God’s image–therefore heroic, kind, altruistic, filled with a sense of right and wrong, a desire for justice. And we are fallen so that we have biases and selfishness that no one teaches us.”
Oh dear… I hope this person doesn’t have children 😦
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I’ve had a long discussion about this with her before. I think being a new-ish parent makes this kind of thought process all the more repugnant for me. It’s a big cliche, but children need consistent love, and anyone harbouring or promoting these kind of notions is encouraging potentially inappropriate responses to genuine need. It just creates messed up, insecure adults.
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That’s a gross understatement.
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All new-born babies are innocent; there is no original sin; it is a deceptive Pauline “Christianity” creed. It has nothing to do with Jesus or his teachings. Jesus claimed that he was son of man/Adam; this shows that Jesus believed that man/Adam was innocent and did not sin;otherwise he would have not claimed this.
It is a mistake of Christians; they should realize this.
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Well I’m glad at least this horrific belief doesn’t run through all religions. Are you saying that Jesus couldn’t have been the son of man if he was born without sin, and couldn’t have been born with sin if he was who he claimed to be? Therefore, he would have been lying if the Original Sin doctrine was true?
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Jesus did not believe in the Christian doctrine of sin; This weird creed was invented by Paul; a clever man who was an enemy of Jesus.
Jesus believed that man could make a mistake; but when one realizes the mistake, resolves not to commit it again, repents for it; asks forgiveness from the one true God; and the one true God, on His discretion, could forgive such a person.
After one is forgiven one is as clean as if one has not done the wrongful act.
Adam did make some mistake but he was forgiven by the one true God as mentioned above;
Jesus claiming to be a son of Adam confirms the above.
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So it’s not “repent of your sins or be damned” it’s now “repent of your mistakes or be damned?”
Thanks for the clarification.
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Well, I think she is right. Babies preferring the puppet which likes the same biscuit as they do, and preferring to have more than the other person even if it means less than they could otherwise have. And babies liking the cooperative puppet, and wanting the thief punished.
Because the Bible has law does not mean that its stories have a moral, like good guys win. Jacob wins, all the time, because he cheats, though his father-in-law cheats him first, his brother doesn’t. So, cooperative and combative, wanting fairness and hostile to outsiders. The Bible portrays people, with less judgment than you might expect.
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“Well, I think she is right.” Is that sarcasm? Please say that’s sarcasm … 🙂
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I got on to another site and watched a CBS news video snippet.
Oh dear is all I can say.
It was odd that all the people involved in the demo on the clip were women.
I have no idea if this is relevant, but it struck me as a bit odd.
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Violetwisp, I’m not sure if you realize that this study is by researchers at Yale, written in scientific journals some six years ago (which means they’ve already been held up to scrutiny by the scientific community). Their conclusions are not religious. They attribute the selfishness and greed and hate (or bias, as the male researcher in the interview said) to biological evolution–instinct to watch out for ourselves in order to survive, I think he explained it.
To believe that humans are born good only or as blank slates is now to believe against science.
Becky
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Hi Becky, the conclusions of the study are not what concern me, it’s your interpretation of them. People are neither born ‘good’ nor ‘bad’. We are animals born to survive, with set instincts that grow and develop as we mature within our societies and learn to make our own decisions about life. Children are never ‘bad’ – they are displaying survival behaviours. One of your most absurd examples which I well remember from a previous post, was that babies are selfish because they cry for attention. You can choose to label the craving for comfort (due to fear, pain or just the desire to be held) as negative/bad/original sin but in doing so are encouraging the kind of parenting that breeds insecure and genuinely fearful and selfish adults, not confident, responsive and caring individuals who have been given the attention they required (and deserved) as helpless babies.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201112/dangers-crying-it-out
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