the snarling and fanged beast
I read a post earlier today that has had a big impact on my understanding of the struggle that heterosexual men face in everyday life. I’m ashamed to admit that until I read Watch Where You’re Bathing by the ever misguided Becky, I thought it was okay for me, as a female of the species, to wear whatever makes me comfortable.
If tight or short or low cut get men to turn their heads, is dressing that way really innocent, innocuous conduct? How can we continue to think women bear no blame for setting men up to fail when it comes to their lustful thoughts?
Now I know I’m wrong. And now I know that, like Becky, I should really retreat into a burka for the rest of my sexually alluring years, lest I fill some unsuspecting heterosexual man’s dirty mind with vile thoughts that could lead to uncontrollable actions or simply eternal damnation.
Becky’s post was inspired by the fact that the Bible character Bathsheba (a married woman generally understood to have been raped by King David) was asking for it by bathing in a private place of bathing while a royal pervert spied on her from a rooftop. But even though Becky convinced me that we women need to change our attitudes to clothing and bathing so that men don’t get unnecessarily randy, my understanding reached new depths as I read the response of one of her readers in the comments section:
I don’t think most women understand the snarling clawed and fanged beast our post fall sexual selves actually are. That said, yes, we are responsible, and by God’s grace we CAN help it, but it is WAR. Can ya be on our side please ladies?
Anyone, who hasn’t yet vomited into their Saturday night drink can join me in an analysis of just how messed up these Christians must be if they can’t recognise the line their reasoning travels down to placing women in sealed boxes only to be opened for copulation. Do legs turn you on? Nothing above the knee? What about the sexiness of ankles? Please don’t underestimate how much they will turn you on if most women start covering them up. And let’s not get on to the glossy suggestive sexuality reeking out of every bouncy shiny hair on a female head – get your headscarves out ladies!
I don’t want to be responsible for releasing any sexually repressed man’s snarling fanged beast. And I hope my sisters will join the fight to save the souls of these poor, randy, heterosexual Christian men. Start covering up all parts of your body that any man finds attractive, and don’t stop till you’re invisible.
that seems to me to be a very appropriate description.
Is that what religion has done to her or was that a eureka moment she had?
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Impossible to tell. She seems like a nice enough lady but she has so many disturbing approaches to the basics of life. She must hang about in some very dodgy circles.
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This is going to sound utterly horrible, but just seeing her picture and it would seem much her “thoughts” are based on “Oh how I wish men found me attractive…. But as they don’t, I’m going to rain on everyone’s parade.”
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You idea thief, that’s something I’d say!
Of course you’re 100% correct. Whether it’s suicide bombers, whackadoodle preachers or nutty religious bloggers, their god was obviously in the loo while he was supposed to have been moulding their faces.
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Yes, it does sound horrible. If I was a comment moderator, I would get rid of this. I don’t think personal comments about appearance have any place in the discussion, especially if they elicit support from vain elitists like Pink.
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Granted, but how else do you explain her extreme prudism?
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And just out of curiosity, why do women wear revealing swimsuits and bikinis and …. and …. stuff?
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Revealing? LOL
Some cultures are not ashamed of their bodies and don’t sexualize them like Abrahamic cultures do. If it wasn’t for our self-righteous, puritan, prudish, perverted, shame driven culture (no thanks to religion), I’d go topless, too, weather permitting. I can certainly understand the common sense aspects of wearing clothes for protection from the elements. However, I can’t stand having to wear over-the-shoulder-bolder-holders (primarily invented to conform to social expectations). I bet Becky wears bras. She’s inadvertently sending the message to men that she still has perky boobs, an evolutionary sign of youth and rip for reproduction.
But having to dress “modestly” due to someone’s inability to control their thought life, who also tend to have similar beliefs like pastor Mark Driscol, who said that women are penis homes, then I ask, who is really creating the problem here — always sexulaizing women? It’s not the unbelievers or pagans, that’s for damn sure.
One thing that really stood out on Becky’s post — she has disdain for her own sex/gender. Any woman (or man for that matter) who reads the bible long enough, can’t help but walk away having a distorted view of women. Garbage in, garbage out.
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“She’s inadvertently sending the message to men that she still has perky boobs” – Now, now, let’s don’t knock perky knockers –! Some of my best friends have had perky knockers.
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Who said I was knocking perky knockers? 😉
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You disappoint me – I was expecting at least a comment that included the phrase, “pay-per-view” – go get another cup of coffee and try it again. Oh, and while you’re up, could you get me one too? And a sandwich? A little cheese, tomato, ham on whole-wheat?
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And mayonnaise – no mustard, please – there’s a dear —
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Why You disappoint me – I was expecting at least a comment that included the phrase, “pay-per-view”
It wouldn’t be the first time. I’ll be happy to bring you coffee and a sandwich to your liking. I’m thoughtful in that way, and need not be asked. But because it’s you asking, you must first
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I guess the caffeine kicked in – that’s good, I like a little confrontation.
As for the suggestion in your image, I suppose one has to start somewhere – I’ve always been inclined to work my way up in the world.
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Well, working your way up in the world can have it’s limitations depending on who you are trying to kiss up to. 😉
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“A man should know his limitations.”
~~ Clint Eastwood ~~
“Dirty Harry”
I guess it was just the snarling and fanged beast in me – at least that’s my excuse, and I’m sticking to it!
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LOL — At least you’re honest about it and don’t hide your snarling and fanged beast ways behind Jesus and at the expense of women. “Tis why I wubbles you.
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““Tis why I wubbles you.”
I always figured it was the “So – you wanna fool around?” remark I made so long ago, that endeared me to you – but then, I’m sure there are many, MANY reasons —
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As my aunt used to say after my uncle was diagnosed with diabetes and ED — “I’d rather have a man with a soft heart than a hard dick any day.”
But hey, if I can have both, you won’t find any complaints from me.
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Quit flirting with me and talk to Hope – have you no sense of propriety? Oh, the shame of it all – shame, shame, shame —
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We may have scared Hope off — as she doesn’t know us and is not used to our jesting.
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“We may have scared Hope off” – this is why i was trying to chill things as soon as she came on, but nooooo —
I doubt it though, she’s seen lots worse between me and “Unseen” – TA’s “Ark” from another mother – she knows how it can get. Besides, I can send her a PM on TA, and I have Facebook addy – I can always contact her if she doesn’t come back.
My advice would be to simply respond to her comment – which it would appear that no one has done!
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I have responded to her comment.
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Oh, btw, I did address Hope when she commented, so my priorities are in order. You, however, did not. Oh, the shame of it all — shame, shame, shame —
Where are your manners?
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Wubbles?
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*its
Ark is lurking.
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“Ark is lurking.” – he’s a lot like god that way, or Santa – except he never brings anyone anything.
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No true. He brought me a shirt button.
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“No(t) true. He brought me a shirt button.”
GREAT! That and eight dollars’ll get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks!
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Better than what you have to offer — all mouth no action. 😛
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I meant to write “ripe for reproduction”. 😉
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Ironically, a few years ago, it was suggested that maidens who participated in the traditional Zulu Reed dance approach the ceremony ”more modestly”.
I kid you not! And this is African Tradition.
Oh well, there goes my National Geographic Fantasies out the window.
Oh, btw, you might be interested in meeting Tiribulus over on Becky’s blog. Quite a … er …character?
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Oh, I read his comments. He’s a bad ass and not in a good way. Seriously, men of Abrahamic faiths (especially fundamentalists) scare the bejesus out of me.
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Nah .. he’s just a dickhead, plain and simple.
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Here — you can add this to your music collection.
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Ah… brilliant!
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Hey, I know Becky – I didn’t recognize her name, but I never forget a face. I’ve actually gone a couple of rounds with her. If I had a body like hers, I’d want to cover it up too! Anybody got a number for Omar, the tent maker?
I left a comment for your new buddy, Tiribulus – told him you liked puppies and kittens and long walks on the beach.
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And frak you very much too!
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“Ironically, a few years ago, it was suggested that maidens who participated in the traditional Zulu Reed dance approach the ceremony ”more modestly”. I kid you not! And this is African Tradition.”
Oh, I can believe it. As you are aware, Christians and Muslims have infiltration these countries, the dominant religions now. just like they did in Polynesian countries, causing women to become self-conscious of their bodies, and teaching them view themselves as weak, sinful, seductresses (as stated by Becky), unable to avoid temptation (as in Satan), causing poor whittle men to stumble, and therefore needing a man as a “covering” to keep ’em in line.
Only women who’ve been brainwashed will buy into that BS.
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Maybe she should reevaluate her company
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Damn, that’s some seriously messed-up crap. I thank the Great Lord Veles everyday for women, and Brazil, where the women breathe sexiness 🙂
But then again, I guess you are all succubus’ from the pits of Hell, leading poor hopeless men to their doom. Why do you hate us so??? 🙂
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Really feel for you John. Every time I see a hot guy in trendy skinny jeans I pray to Veles to put him in diving suit so I don’t have see the sexy ripple of his muscles and the suggestive outline of clearly too large manhood. I never think, “shit, I’m such an old perv …”
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Wars have been started over skinny jeans, and genocide unleashed over lowriders 😉
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😀
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LOL! Australian comedy is an art unto itself 🙂
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It was classic. I don’t know how they kept a straight face.
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Drunk, no doubt, knowing my brothers 😉
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“Drunk, no doubt, knowing my brothers 😉” – Yes, John, my Australian friends have told me that Australians are the new Irish.
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Bless us!
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Eh? Stop trying to steal the glory of Kiwi’s!! Nothing to do with Australia. Here’s one of their many takes on Australians. 🙂
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They’re Kiwi? Yeah, like I said, great Australians! Don’t you know anything, Wisp. When our Tasman cousins lift themselves from the idyllic soup they call Home they become Australian. Phar Lap, Split Enz, Sam Neil, Russel Crow… All great Australians, until they do something bad, and then they revert back to being bum kiwis.
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Did you watch the video? I can post more links to their observations about Australians:
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I did. It was mildly entertaining, for sheepfuckers.
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Ah, the bitterness of scorned people … 😀
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Well, it is refreshing to see Kiwi’s trying to use more complex sentences in their daily lives… Ones with more than four words.
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(they were your hilarious ‘brothers’ 10 minutes ago)
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Drunk brothers 😉
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LOL
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“I hope my sisters will join the fight to save the souls of these poor, randy, heterosexual Christian men.”
Always glad to help out the ladies, whenever I can – please feel free to dress as scantily as you like, and don’t worry about saving my soul – I don’t have one. BTW, I’ve never raped, and never felt the need to. It’s always been my assumption that “No” means “No” – except that once in a while it means “Not while my husband’s in the room!”
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The Afghan Taliban Office for the Suppression of Vice and Promotion of virtue objected to women wearing shoes with hard soles, which made noises as they walked.
Touristing a church in Malta, I accepted the shawl they gave me to cover my bare arms. I was in their space, so I followed their rules. It is a matter of respect. But outside, it was not simply their space.
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Well, exactly! There’s no end to what men with sexual hangups will find unreasonably sexy. And failing to recognise that is ludicrous.
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This reminds me of a story. A man told a woman, “It’s your fault that I lust after you.” She responded, “No, it’s your fault because you should control your thoughts and feelings.” Then, an androgynous, asexual person who was eavesdropping said, “You fools are both playing the blame game and don’t love your fellow human.” Then, an asteroid fell out of the sky and wiped out all life on the planet. The End.
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Thanks. (?)
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Ah yes, Violet, female sexual empowerment. That’s where you convince women that all their value comes from their sexuality, instruct them to dress provocatively, tell them they never have to take any sexual responsibility, and send them forth to walk in the world.
It’s a brilliant and diabolical plan, one you would suspect was designed by men to provide them with easy access to stupid and gullible females, but no, apparently this some sort of feminist thing.
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Are you sure you want to go with the term ‘dressing provocatively’? Do you have any understanding of legal responsibility?
Free citizens are responsible for their own behaviour and are obliged that their behaviour be in accordance with the law.
A paedophile can’t look at your gravatar, then attack a child and say your provocative gravatar made them do it. Or are you implying bad behaviour should be excused? Is it really a child’s fault they attract paedophiles.
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Are we going to now advocate child porn and parade children in front of pedophiles to try and make the point that pedophiles are completely responsible for their behavior? The fact that pedophiles are the ones completely responsible for what they do to children, does not mean that we place them in areas of temptation and roll the dice.
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Adults have alternatives that children lack.
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There you go again. What’s with ‘parading children’? Do you think paedophiles only attack, abuse and rape little girls who wear tiaras and shiny pink dresses? Let’s put it this way, if your argument held any water whatsoever, there would be no such thing as rape in Iran or Afghanistan where women are obliged to be covered up.
Blaming the victim is one of the most egregious and destructive things anyone could possibly do. It creates an environment that justifies and excuses illegality, hence the people who take the discussion in that direction are actually enabling criminals and complicit in their crimes. When a rapist reads your comments I promise you he’s probably smiling in the confidence people like you will be around to get him off the hook the next time he’s in the mood to pin someone down against their will and force himself on them.
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It’s interesting that you presume I’m victim blaming. Keeping kids away from pedophiles is not victim blaming it’s common sense.
It’s also quite doubtful that rapists rape because they had no idea it was wrong. It’s highly unlikely they perceive themselves as victims enticed and lead astray by women. Sometimes they attempt to present that defense in court, but that is not their psychology at all.
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You can’t have it both ways. If it’s the rapist’s fault, then even mentioning women’s clothing is offensive.
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“The fact that pedophiles are the ones completely responsible for what they do to children, does not mean that we place them in areas of temptation and roll the dice.”
If you’re suggesting, IB, that Catholics not send their children to church so as not to tempt the priests, I’m all for that!
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“easy access to stupid and gullible females” – hardly, most of those are usually in church.
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Snort. Top class arch.
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Insanity, as usual, an interestingly twisted analysis of the topic in question. Like the other Christians who expect women to be ‘modest’ to protect the poor randy Christian men from their thoughts and actions, you miss the point where you are behaving exactly like the Muslim religion, and will eventually come to realise that any part of a body can be sexualised in the mind of someone who is trying to avoid thinking about sex. Put yourself in a burka if you want, but even then, the swish of your sultry hips may just drive some poor innocent man into a state of wild distraction. You people really need to grow up about sex and bodies.
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Actually rather than trying to” protect the poor randy Christian men from their thoughts and actions” it’s more like a common courtesy.
It’s also about women respecting themselves and realizing that they have value way beyond their sexuality. Why must we live in a society that uses women’s bodies to sell products, that teaches young girls that their value and worth in the world comes from their physical appearance alone?
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I think you’re confusing two separate issues here. I agree with some of what you say but don’t see what relevance it has to Christian men being unable to control themselves, or women being told they should dress to protect Christian men who can’t control themselves.
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Most men can control themselves just fine. That doesn’t change the fact however, that most men are somewhat visual. Placing sexual imagery in front of them 24/7, and then shaming them if they look or express any sort of heightened sexual awareness, is just bizarre and somewhat cruel. Why would you do that to somebody? It’s a bit like knowing I’m on a diet and bringing me cheesecake and than mocking and ridiculing me because my self control is flimsy at best.
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“That doesn’t change the fact however, that most men are somewhat visual.”
And women aren’t? From NewScientist:
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2007/04/mind-ogles-women-are-worse.html
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An interesting study, Neuro – I never doubt the research you present, and I don’t now, but there’s no indication that the ogling is directly related to sexual response. Unlike you, I have no studies to back me up, only a lifetime (so far) spent as a connoisseur of fine women, and it has been my personal observation that men are more often – animated, shall we say – by appearance, whereas women lean more toward emotional and tactile stimulation.
Models look like models for a reason – that’s what attracts the attention of males most readily. There are many who will criticize that statement, as IB has, by saying that a woman should be more than just a pretty face (and body), and although it may seem I’m contradicting myself, I agree. BUT – we are hardwired to procreate, to continue the species – and that drive is an ancient one that has been with us as long as there has been life on this planet.
What that does – again, IMO, no studies to back me up here – is that it creates a dichotomy in an enlightened society – a move toward social equality between the sexes is locked in a struggle with ancient evolutionary mandates – the tallest men with the broadest shoulders are likely to be the better hunters, more capable of providing meat and protection for their women and offspring, and the woman with the biggest breasts and widest hips, is more likely to be able to bear and nurture healthier children. The fact that those primitive, tribal conditions no longer exist, makes little difference – as it took millions of years to hardwire those mandates into us that allowed us, as a species, to survive, they are not going to fade overnight just because we have reached a point of enlightenment whereby our brains are our greatest weapons now, not spears and clubs.
“Plus-sized” women would like to see the standard dropped that includes women of “perfect” figures, with little awareness of that hardwiring. But in fact, the very concept of the “perfect” woman varies with time and cultures, and in the day of Rubens, the Flemish artist, painting in the 1600’s, “Plus-Sized” WAS the ideal! And may be so again.
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Nice comment, Arch. Studies show that because women may feel more self-conscious in their response to sexual stimuli due to societal expectations, they may try to inhibit their responses to match socialized gender roles in which women do not display high levels of sexual response. However, their subjective response was not reflected in their physiological response as they showed similar genital responses. This discordance reflects the fact that these women also reported more negative emotions, such as aversion, guilt, and shame.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739403/#R13
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“Placing sexual imagery in front of them 24/7, and then shaming them if they look or express any sort of heightened sexual awareness, is just bizarre and somewhat cruel.”
But who defines what sexual imagery is? You’re missing the whole point that whatever women cover up, there will be some portion of flesh that arouses men, and that’s how societies get to burkas. I see some Christian sects with skirts to their ankles, some with skirts below knees, some who cover their cleavages, some who cover their shoulders – in each of these cases it is the case that some men in their circles have found ankles, knees, thighs, shoulders, or the natural meeting point of two portions of flesh to be ‘sexual imagery’ and convinced the women to cover them up, lest the men think sinful thoughts.
Men who cannot control their thoughts because they are busy trying to suppress them (and, yes, most can, but the post commenter illustrates the feelings some Christian men have on the subject) will always find something to get aroused by.
Would having the cheesecake partially covered with cloth ease your craving any? What about if there was a table littered with cheesecake that you pass every day and you just get to imagine what delicious delights lie under a heavy black cloth? It’s the same principle – you would still be salivating. It’s the very fact that you’re trying not to think about cheesecake that is causing you to be unnecessarily fixated with it. And importantly, you can still smell the cheesecake – men’s hormones react to the smell of women (hint – we’re animals!!), maybe we should hide when we’re ovulating too?
http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics/women-perfume-natural-scent.htm
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It’s kind of interesting Violet, because I see burkas and the hyper sexualized attitudes of the West as being the same side of the same coin. Both promote this idea that women are comprised of nothing but the sum of their sexuality. Burkas reinforce this message just like our constant displays of overt Western sexuality do. Both promote this idea that women actually have no control over their own sexuality and bear no responsibility what so ever. We are chronic victims of male lust, powerless to do anything about it. In the East, we are forced to submit to this idea by covering ourselves head to toe, but in the West we are forced to submit too, by displaying ourselves with an attitude of “you can’t beat them so you have to join them.” The results are the same, women wind up being sold this idea that all our value lays in our sexuality and that we are powerless to do anything about it, so we may as well simply relinquish all control.
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“Both promote this idea that women are comprised of nothing but the sum of their sexuality.”
Bullhocky. Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 11:9 that woman was created for man, not man for the woman. So, don’t blame society for something your religion promotes.
While we are at it, don’t forget Numbers 31:17, 18
“Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
What for, Insanity? Because they wanted to fuck them.
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“. I see some Christian sects with skirts to their ankles, some with skirts below knees, some who cover their cleavages, some who cover their shoulders – in each of these cases it is the case that some men in their circles have found ankles, knees, thighs, shoulders, or the natural meeting point of two portions of flesh to be ‘sexual imagery’ and convinced the women to cover them up, lest the men think sinful thoughts.
Exactly. They are taught by their primitive, puritan culture.
A 2008 study emphasized that sociological factors play a strong role in men’s visual stimulation. Rupp, H. A., & Wallen, K. (2008). Sex Differences in Response to Visual Sexual Stimuli: A Review. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 37(2), 206-218. doi: 10.1007/s10508-007-9217-9
Another study examined biases in self-reporting of sexual behavior (including thoughts about attraction). Researcher administered sexual attitudes and behavior questionnaires to undergraduates under three conditions and found that women, more than men, underreported their sexual behavior when there was less secured anonymity (Alexander & Fisher, 2003).
We have authoritarian religion, i.e., Christianity, to thank for that.
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IB.
There is of course, the very real fact that men and women do dress provocatively simply to feel sexy and be perceived in the same light.
May I ask, have you ever worn a bikini to the beach of the pool?
Have you ever worn a mini skirt?
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Can’t stop laughing! Thanks for reading this crap so I don’t have to. “Snarling clawed and fanged beast” – you can’t make this shit up!
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It’s a useful glimpse into the mind of the religious sexually repressed human animal. But you’re right, in my wildest satirical dreams I couldn’t have come up with that phrase!
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Women should be able to dress in any manner they wish. Snarling clawed and fanged beasts shouldn’t need a god to keep them from raping said women.
Does provocative dress sometimes gain a woman attention from someone she isn’t interested in? Of course it does. But does that mean she doesn’t have a right to say no and have her no regarded? Of course not.
It is only in the world of fundamentalist religions that thoughts are a crime.
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It’s the mind-numbing idiocy that makes them think that covering up specific parts of a woman’s body will stop men having thoughts their Bible says are wrong. We are animals and one of our primary urges is sexual. In the absence of a six pack on display, toned biceps; in the absence of the biceps, a twinkle in the eye – we will always find something to get those natural chemicals racing.
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“But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:28
Right there you see the bible promoting the White Bear Effect, a.k.a., Ironic process theory. It refers to the psychological process whereby deliberate attempts to suppress certain thoughts make them more likely to surface.
It works both ways. Men are told to not lust after women or even think about lusting and women are told to not cause men to lust by their very presence of being a women. Like Violet said — do they want us to just disappear? Even it women were to be covered from head to toe, it still doesn’t curb the sexual urges of these religious men. Just look at Islam. Men will get to f*ck to their hearts content in paradise (promised an eternal erection) and with over 70 perfect women. You think these guys don’t think about “lust” a lot?
Two studies have come out in the last 5 years, one in 2009 and another this past month. The most porn viewed in the U.S. came from religious, conservative states.
Hello White Bear Effect.
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Perfect women? Really? You can’t possibly agree with the religious implication that a virgin is better than a non-virgin?
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LOL — in their primitive mind virgins are perfect.
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What they don’t realize is Becky is one of the virgins…
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LMAO
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I just can’t understand how all these crazy Christians are so oblivious to the effects of thought repression. Really interesting to hear the name – White Bear Effect, I’ll read some more on that.
“The most porn viewed in the U.S. came from religious, conservative states.” There we go. That says it all. I’ll let Becky know.
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Proof positive, at any rate, of atheism and its enjoyment of cruelty.
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Where do you find cruelty in this post? Typical of Christian men – the opinion that women should dress however they please is met with an accusation of cruelty against them. What part of the disgusting and patronising attitude that seriously leads to women living in burkas do you people not understand? All because you thought repress yourself into sexually distressed corners that get you uncomfortable at a flash of leg, cleavage, ankle or even hair.
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Typical of atheist women–having flown a few miles overhead, fly off the handle batshit wacko and cast meaningless irrational aspersions. I could care less about the insipid dispute ensuing over how women dress. I could care less if women wanted to walk around buck-ass nude (naturally) or in bikinis. I’m not a dog and can control myself. And for the record, I don’t consider anything cruelty against them or me or whatever men you may mean. They can certainly get over it (I could) and one or a cadre of sniping feminists will hardly be of much consequence to them.
No, I was referring exclusively to the cretinous filth of ad homina flourished at Rebecca’s expense. Simple concept, really; you just over-analyzed. In part, I find it twice ironic: atheism revealing its terrible stumbling block at mentally processing the superficial. Secondly, Rebecca is, of course, more beloved by God than any of the aforementioned cretinous filth will love anything or one in their entire tiny quotidian life. Whamo blamo
Feel free to carry on like a superficial catty 14 year old girl at your express whim; your blog, after all! Although, don’t I remember reading somewhere that you’re pregnant? Hmmm. Forgive my lurking but if so, mightn’t you want to ditch that type of behavior somewhere along the line. Doesn’t go over too well whilst taking on the daunting task of being a matron and all. Mere friendly advice; afterbirth all over it if you want.
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“Feel free to carry on like a superficial catty 14 year old girl at your express whim; your blog, after all!”
Paul, Violet is absolutely right to call out Becky. She is, in fact, contributing to emotional abuse. I’ve read countless literature on the psychological harm done to women by this archaic rhetoric, and I can relate to it on a personal level. Becky is the one being cruel whether it’s intentional or not. As a woman, now an ex-Christian, and one who was made to feel very self-conscious and even ashamed for having curves and breasts because dog forbid we should cause men to have lustful thoughts; I get indignant with people like you who defend indoctrinated women who place the burden on women to be responsible for keeping men’s thoughts in line to teachings from a primitive, authoritarian, tribal, unnatural, anti-life, anti-human, unethical book.
Not only is Becky contributing to emotional abuse, she insults and degrades men..
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/12/how-the-modesty-doctrine-fuels-rape-culture.html
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Thanks for your point of view Paul. Interesting you accuse me of sounding like a superficial catty 14 year given what you’ve written…
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Yes, Paul, those comments are out of line. It doesn’t change the fact that the contention of the original post and comment is ridiculous and insulting. The idea that the possession of a Y chromosome means, “There, but for a woman in a pair of hot-pants, goes a user, or even a rapist.”, deserves ridicule. The associated implication that sex is inextricably wound up with violent impulses, is nauseating and sad.
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“What part of the disgusting and patronising attitude that seriously leads to women living in burkas do you people not understand?”
I’m with you, Vi, and to show my support, I’m digging my Speedo out of mothballs – I told everyone they’d come back —
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Thanks. If you could post a photo it would do a lot to support the cause.
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Violet, I just so happen to have one. Arch was fussing at me (as usual) while I was taking it.
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Wow, he’s hotter than I even imagined! 😀
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I know, right?
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God’ll get you for that, Neuro –!
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I’m scared chitless.
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“If you could post a photo it would do a lot to support the cause.” – Trust me, Vi – it wouldn’t.
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Wow. Just… wow. I followed the link into Becky’s rabbit hole and read her genius musings. I have to say, as a heterosexual man (happily married, I might add), I find it offensive that she illustrates men as completely out-of-control when it comes to sexuality.
What better way to continue those culturally inscribed, gender-related stereotypes than to position them within the framework of religiosity. I mean, seriously. We aren’t voiceless Neanderthals; woman can dress how they want and men should still know better than to become snarling beasts at the sight of some calf or cleavage.
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Sadly, lots of women have that misogynistic mind too. ‘women are their own worst enemy’ Usually, women need secure,, they tend to obey the patriarchy only for secure,, especially, weak women,, they wear the hijab, burka, etc.. to avoid harassment.. Religious texts is written by men but it affected both men and women and mostly it was written to control women.. Eve and the original sin,, she’s a rib = she’s a property for her man and all that stuff.
Here: ( https://twitter.com/buonasahra/status/524323868362948608 ) a muslim girl judging the non-hijabi girl and calling her a hoe.. If muslim girls want us to respect them, then the have to respect not-hijabi women..
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“Sadly, lots of women have that misogynistic mind too. ‘women are their own worst enemy’”
Welcome Hope. So glad you joined us. 🙂 I agree with your assessment. Women are their own worst enemy because, like Becky, they are indoctrinated, and often have low self-esteem due to indoctrination. They are the seed of Eve, the cause of the fall of humanity. There is a deep-seeded, subconscious hatred of women throughout our cultures. But you’re right — cultures have developed (by men of course) to keep women dependent on men and in need of protection from men due to their indoctrinated views of women.
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Just so you know, Victoria, with Hope as our guest, and considering the insight she can bring to the table regarding the life of women in the Islamic world, I think it only prudent and courteous that I drop the little game we’ve been playing and get back to the work on my lawn. Feel free to chat among yourselves —
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That’s cool, Arch. But your participation is welcomed and encouraged, and I have confidence that you can have discourse without playing games. But if the lawn mower is calling your name, then you must submit and obey.
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Far be it from me to kiss its wheels, but yeah, it’s calling.
BTW – I SO bookmarked that “Dickhead” song, as I KNOW I’ll find a use for it. Can’t use it on the Ark though, as he has a copyright on that phrase.
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😀 Violet is going to ban us heathens.
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I invited a young lady named “Hope” to come over and join us. She may, or may not, it remains to be seen. Hope is a married, ex-Muslim, now atheist, and a resident of Saudi Arabia – our oil buddies in the Middle East, and a regime as repressive as Iran, when it comes to women (see chart, above).
If she does drop by, please give her the warm welcome I’ve come to expect all of you.
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:-))
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