enjoy hell: satan hates you
Enjoy hell. Your alternative. Hell is a fact, whether you choose to believe it or not. Once you are in it, its way TOO LATE to become ‘real’ as a person.
FYI. Satan hates you.
There are many problematic, contradictory and unsavoury aspects to Christianity, as displayed in full technicolour story form within the Bible. The one I struggled with most, as a brain-washed-from-birth variety of Christian, was the idea that all the people round about me who didn’t believe what I believed, and all the billions of people out in the wider world who didn’t believe what I believed, were going to suffer some form of eternal torment.
Except, when I try and drag my mind back to those times, there was something about belonging to a pious, forgiving, loving and exclusive club that I kind of enjoyed. There was something about the fact that I was a bit more special than other people, I was one of the saved, that made me feel satisfied.
And, as you might glean from the comment above, some Christians positively savour in their belief that people who have irritated them will suffer immense pain for eternity, ruled over by an evil monster who hates them.
This raises a number of questions:
1. What kind of ‘loving’ belief system could promote such monstrous ideas? (answer: none)
2. What form of ‘benevolent’ creator deity would conceive of such evil for its creation? (answer: none)
3. What kind of person could believe all that and make the kind comment we see above? (answer: someone in throws of severe cognitive dissonance)
How do they know hell is a fact?
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Because it’s in their storybook with well-known facts about the 7-day creation, the flooding of the world, the man who lived in the whale’s belly and magic healing sessions that no longer (reliably) work. When that many facts, and more, are in one book, you just know they’re true!
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Is it the same book with talking donkeys and walking snakes? With such a book, you need no others
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I’ve long thought that the kind of person who carries around this kind of revenge wish is sick to the core. Of course, by the comments fundamentalists make on many blogs, one can assume same. Sick, just SICK thinking. I’ll say what a few of our blogging friends say – one can only hope they have no interaction with children. 😦
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I think for that blogger it was her final card when she’d run out of ammo. Kind of sad in many ways, not least because it’s so laughable to an atheist, and illustrates everything that’s wrong with Christianity. She said it to John Zande and he pulled out one of his favourite memes in reponse. 🙂
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It’s often their final card. . Sad, eh? Good ol’ JZ, gotta love that man. (I mean, it IS Valentine’s Day, eh?) 😉
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Don’t send him any love, he doesn’t need it. He’s on a tropical beach drinking rum cocktails surrounded by dogs. The man’s in heaven!
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Well, doesn’t that just make me grimace. We are getting ready to dig out from over 60 cm. of snow!
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That would be nice too! I haven’t seen decent snow cover in years. My poor children have never built a snowman.
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I can hear you, but to tell you the truth, it’s just a tad too hot today to be having fun. But, but, but, we’re about to welcome a new adoption this afternoon, which is always fun. Or terrifying. Let’s wait and see…
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Aw, how cool! How many have you got at the moment?
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4 dogs, 7 cats. We were housing another who I found three Sunday’s ago. He was in our street, with a leash. I figured he must have just gotten away from his owner on a walk and it’d be a piece of cake to find them. Si, I took him in. Two weeks and 100 ” Is This Your Dog?” posters later, nada. We found him a gorgeous home, though, and he moved in yesterday. He has an entire block as his garden, lucky bastard. Scored well.
How’s your Argentine fury friend?
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Stop reminding me we abandoned our dog! A picture of her flashed up on our Chromecast picture slideshow the other day and I felt awful. But, on the upside, she has a permanent family with one our friends over there, and we get regular updates. And she doesn’t have a clue who we are when we visit.
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You didn’t abandon her, just found her a new home.
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I’m reminded of Jonah – after the whole eaten by the whale thing, he preached to the city: “God’s going to rain down fire on all y’all!” He expected this display of God’s wrath immediately, so he got out of dodge a safe enough distance, sat down and waited. I’m sure if he had popcorn, he’d have been munching on it while waiting for the show to begin. But wouldn’t you know it – the city repented and he was mad that his front row seat for the destruction of the Ninevah was useless. So many end-times teachings have this theme to them: “We’re saved, you’re not. We’ll be munching on popcorn watching God rain down on you curses and judgements and there’ll be no way out!”
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There’s nothing like that smug sense of self-satisfaction when other people are suffering. Always part of a benevolent deity’s plan for its empathetic worshippers. 😀
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They’re only telling you this because they love you.
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They love you dearly
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It hurts them more than it hurts you.
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Telling John Zande, he makes a positive impression that way. Actually, is it not Ark who usually elicits that kind of delusional death threat?
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I bring out the very ‘best’ in our christian brethren! It’s an art form. 🙂
Aren’t John Branyan and his daughter just such wonderful examples of humanity!
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Wasn’t she a little ray of sunshine
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Interesting to note she entered the conversation chastising SOM for not behaving like a loving Christian. She also had a post of her own criticising people who can’t tolerate open discussion. Then she flounced off from mine with threats of hateful evil spirits, not SHOUTING, or ANGRY. I think she’ll come back. 😉
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I found her INTERESTING in a weird sort of WAY.
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Glad she wasn’t ANGRY or SHOUTING though. Might have got weird if she’d specified how Satan will torture you in hell.
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He’d torture me by putting her beside me on an unending fligth around the world 😉
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For adults to indoctrinate this filth into children it is nothing less than theological pedophilia.
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Now that’s a quotable quote.
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Having lots of fun over at Branyan’s.
Those two are truly are the most revolting tag team I have encountered.
They are just too creepy for words.
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I didn’t see anything new come in that looked interesting. I think we should introduce Violet to them.
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Oh, they are just being themselves. You know them …
Here is a comment from Amanda you will love …
”There’s no difference. They assign AGENCY to an intelligence of some sort…
They believe something intelligent must have structured the ordered Universe, until the Arks and Tildebs of the world make fun of them for it.
Apologies to Violet for deviating …
I’m posting this as this woman is a strong believer in hell and has kids.
A nasty piece of work.
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She also supports slavery. Violet would LOVE her!
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Yes, they would get on like a house on fire!
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Oh yes, link please!
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It’s Branyan Comedy, or something. yes, he’s a stand up comedian, so he says. Honestly, he’s about the least funny person I’ve ever encountered.
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Ah, okay. Ark mentioned him last week and I had a look. I’ll go back for a lurk.
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Violet wisp, give your head a shake. ..those two (Dad and daughter) are a real head trip.
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I’ve lurked and I don’t really want to join the conversation. That’s not to say I might not borrow some juicy quotes for a post a two!
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Most kids get over scary stories or learn to avoid thinking about them too deeply. I think it’s about as worrying as Santa spying on them all year then sneaking into their rooms in the middle of the night. It’s the physical punishments in the last post that concern me most.
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*Shrug*
s a kid, I was never subject to that sort of mental cruely so I can only imagine what it was like from reading testimonies from deconverts.
When I saw that video, ‘The Cage ‘ I nearly spat out my coffee.
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If the hallucination of Christianity presented here weren’t a hallucination, I would be an atheist too.
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Was there anything inaccurate in the post? What’s your perspective on the majority of people you interact with on a daily basis, plus billions you’ve never met suffering for eternity?
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Violet,
There is nothing accurate about your hallucinated version of Christianity.
God is merciful, patient, and kind.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is one of mercy and compassion.
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Let me help violet. SoM won’t mind.
Your father or mother tells you not to jump off the cliff. You jump off the cliff.
Then you spend the rest of your short days evangelizing other parents and children because you suffer miserably from neck palsy, broken legs, and eyes that look sideways, and blaming your miserable parents for not stopping you from your stupidity. Meanwhile, you want others to share your self inflicted tragedy.
Yeah, that is the logic of the mind apart from common sense, reason, not to mention the audacity of blaming God for order and law, while the creature are lawless.. You are so out to lunch regarding true discipline, I suppose you would not discipline your garden by letting the weeds take over………….
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“While the creature are lawless”? That sounds like a Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein rant. Go on, enlighten the world. Do tell us how mathematical logic works. What are the basic premises?
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It’s probably above your pay grade notsomarvellous, but simple math demonstrates the genius of God.
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You mean you can’t answer? You’re talking about logic and you don’t know how to explain the basic principles?
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In particular it would be interesting to know how understand
Existence/Identity/Uniqueness/ Specificity/Excluded middle/Non-contradiction and how you represent that mathematically? The whole world awaits your genius.
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Do you believe in beating kids as a form of effective discipline?
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‘Beating’ is cruel.
Chastisement, as defined by the incomparable Mr. Webster of dictionary fame had it right.
Look it up. It is a loving hand restoring relationship.
Chastisement is not ‘beating,’ nor is the ancient proverb: ‘spare the rod, spoil the child’ cruel
‘Beating’ is uncontrollable rage. Even God the Father chastises His own for their own good. If you understand the principle and purpose of the ‘rod,’ you may learn a thing or two about true love, discipline, and results which any sane person would not argue.
So to answer the question, ‘beating’ as you call it, is proof tht the ones who does the beating needs discipline himself.
But don’t confuse chastisement with a hyena fest, complete with blood.
On another note………..the wrath of God was meted on Christ………..
………talk about a beating……………
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So do you beleive in physically hitting children as form of effective discipline?
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Have the weeds ever complained that you were hurting them while you made room for the roses to breathe?
Did you miss my ‘loving’ hands?
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ColorStorm, I’d invent you if you didn’t exist.
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So, do you beleive that physically hitting children as a form of discipline is effective?
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I’m thinking that the wisest man who ever lived has a bit more brainpower into human nature than any old dead stonegod who wears funny hats.
Ah yes, Solomon. The architect. The builder. The craftsman. The agriculturalist. The botanist. The astronomer. The economist. The strategist. The father. The writer.The zoologist. The man of letters. The biologist. The sage. The man. The legend. The king.
And whose wisdom was a drop in the bucket compared to Christ Himself….
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Yes, and so, do you think hitting children is an effective method of discipline?
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Have the weeds ever complained that you were hurting them while you made room for the roses to breathe?
As a matter of fact, yes.
Using laser-driven optical parametric oscillator’s, researchers led by Frank Kühnemann at the Institute for Applied Physics in Bonn discovered in 1998 that plants not only experience pain through the depolarisation of voltage-sensitive ion channels (organic structures akin to nerve cells in higher organisms), but when under stress they generate a sound by releasing gasses such as ethylene under high pressure. Inaccessible to human ears, Kühnemann noted that “The more a plant is subjected to stress, the louder the signal we get on our microphone,” and this ranges from a low ‘bubbling’ moan when subjected to drought conditions, to an impossibly high-pitched shriek when being hacked apart.
A scream.
But it doesn’t end there.
Although not cognitively aware of the sensation of pain, plants (from 3.5 billion years old algae to angiosperms) not only experience suffering in the form of chemical panic felt by the entire organism, but it is now known that they live in fear of their ferociously peculiar understanding of pain.
Located deep inside the plant genome, isolated within the first intron MPK4, lay three ancient genes (PR1, PR2, PR5) that have revealed to researchers that MPK4 is devoted to negative regulation of the PR gene expression.
This gene expression is anticipatory.
It is expectant.
It is preparatory.
It is suspicious.
It is, in a word, fearful.
If translated to the human experience, the PR gene expression is what a human observer would identify with as a deep-rooted, physiologically hardwired anxiety; a most ancient paranoia.
Quite the world, huh?
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So you have inadvertenlty made my point. Tkx, jz.
The lessons of nature abound, just screaming for the recognition of the Creator. Even the grasshoppers and ants enjoy those weeds, as all things serve a purpose, and your voice of opposition just may be a sigh of relief. Good thing you have a brain eh, while the lowly grass begs.
You may find opposition to your kin here though, for agreeing that the grass sings………
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Great, so you accept you were hopelessly wrong.
Cheers.
And so, just like the child screaming as she is raped, pleading for help, the plant, too, screams out in agony… an appeal, like the little girl before she is brutally murdered, which your god, apparently, hears, but ignores.
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Ah but zande, this is your poor interpretation as you hold God accountable for the acts of misfits. Not too smart.
So your plant screams out in agony eh? Ha, it take more faith to believe this than it is for you to believe you will live to see tomorrow.
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Take it up with the Institute for Applied Physics in Bonn.
I’m sure you know more than them.
Facts… They can be so awkward, can’t they, CS.
But thanks for admitting you were hopelessly wrong.
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Facts. Gotta love them, indeed.
God made the greater light to rule the day. Fact.
God made the lesser light to rule the night. Fact. And yes, the moon has its own light. Fact.
As opposed to the opinions of pseudo-intellectuals, who like deGrasse and Nye combined cannot fathom the rainbow. Fact.
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And plants scream.
So you were wrong.
Dead wrong.
Hopelessly wrong.
Thanks for admitting it.
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Miraculous eh zande? And you have a hard time believing an iron head floated……..
You are a basket of contradictions.
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Don’t get angry with facts, CS.
Like I said, take it up with the Institute for Applied Physics in Bonn.
Or build your own laser-driven optical parametric oscillator and do the experiment yourself.
The original paper was this, F. Kühnemann, Hecker, A. et al., Photoacoustic trace-gas detection using a cw single-frequency parametric oscillator, Appl Phys B (1998) 66: 741, but it has been replicated hundreds of times since.
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Anger? Ha. You have never seen it, so don’t project.
You can not fit God under a microscope, but I have been telling you for for ages that the ‘whole creation groans………’
However, your ‘pain’ threshold’ is subject to interpretation…….unless of course you have spoken with the grass………….or perhaps you have heard from a talking donkey……….
The word of God is always, Always, ALWAYS correct, and light years ahead of mans findings.
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@CS
The word of God is always, Always, ALWAYS correct,
And where will I find the word of your god, Colorstorm?
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What a beautifull bird.
I think, this notion of a god who created an evil adversary, is a childish after the fact rationalization attempt of the observable chaos in nature.
The religious person wants to see order in the world as he is scared of the chaos, and subsequently has invented a god, that supposedly keeps order in the world. The chaotic nature has patterns in it, so there is an excuse for even a greater force than chaos. But it is an infantile notion, that a creator entity is a representation of order, when most of the “creation” is in constant state of chaos.
This idea of a superb just might defending the human member of the right tribe from the nature has passed from generation to generation and it is easy to assume, as it gives the individual person an excuse for a form of infantillism, in wich the person feels justified in this false sense of security. It is typical that the less a person knows the more they are affraid of the unknown, and in accordance they are more prone to hope for some father figure, or other magical help like amulets, or rituals, that provides some imaginary sense of safety even in contrast to experienced factual reality. This same infantillism seems to also cause people to be incredibly self centered, even to amount in tribal moralism, in wich it is seen as perfectly OK that other people, who do not belong to their “saved” cultural ingroup shall suffer. Even for an eternity. It is the same sort of ignorance and infantillism as seen in nationalism and actually reflects ultimately a fascistic world view. A world view in wich their god is the grand fascist, head honcho and divine dictator, who by might makes right, only serves “justice” when he avenges the vicked for their thought crimes.
The scary thing is, that such “traditional values” based on varying metaphysical guesswork (read confirmation bias) and not on any actually verifiable facts leads to fascistic cultures and deeds.
But there is hope, as for example you Violetwisp have recognized the moral inconsistancy of the story despite your upbringing and found a far better morals. You have shown courage and bravely defied this ultimate thought police, challenged it only to find it wanting.
If the social pressure in the global culture grows less and less year by year to ask ourselves if the gods people worship are even worth worshipping, then maybe more and more people shall also brave the question, wether if there is any reason to believe these gods even exist at all and the power of the demagogues shall be broken.
Then , if we one day shall find a good reason to believe there actually exists a god and that it is benevolent, it can not be angry at us, for questioning such immoral stories told about it as the religions that are offered to us do. On the other hand if it is just as these religions have told us or any one of them, then we as humans who have questioned that wich is immoral have at least kept our integrity and humanity in the face of divine dictatorship and that is nothing to be shamed of.
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I wonder if your conclusion there would help Christians start to face that questions that niggle them in the back of their head. It’s a very difficult obstacle to get over when you believe it all – allowing yourself to question and looking for real answers. I smell a comment of the month …
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Claiming anything as fact requires sensory information (knowledge), experience (wisdom) or some demonstration from nature (reason.) It is funny how people claim an opinion as fact in the absence of empirical evidence.
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What fact are you objecting to?
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The claim there is a Hell.
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Do you not get most of your opinions on the character Satan from the Christian Bible?
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Nope.
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