therapeutic perspectives on the trump victory
There are a lot of upset people in the world right now. And certainly from many perspectives the election of Donald Trump as the next president of the USA could be described as upsetting.
If you’re a woman, you would be right to be upset that a man who boasts about grabbing your private parts on a whim has been voted into office by your fellow country folk. If you’re a Muslim, you would be right to be upset that you may be denied entry into the USA to visit or join your family there, or simply to have a holiday. If you’re Mexican, you may be upset that the desire to keep people like you out of the USA is so strong that their people supported building a wall to keep them ‘safe’ from you.
In a situation like this, I think it’s useful to ponder more therapeutic perspectives. This is not simply a peculiar victory of arrogance, fear and alienation over compassion, inclusion and human progress. So let’s consider some thoughts to dull the pain and calm the palpitations.
1. We humans are animals whose primary motivation is often fear, and rightly so. Fear of other tribes stealing food, fear of dangerous creatures, fear of change. Fear has served as a useful emotion to get us where we are. Trump latched on to the fear-pumped paranoia of other tribes – Muslim and Latin American hoards of aggressive and uncivilised barbarians, all of whom want to kill or displace the ‘real’ Americans (descendants of aggressive and uncivilised European barbarians, who rightly killed and displaced indigenous populations). Irony is therapeutic, as is acknowledging the base animal traits that drive our decisions.
2. We humans move in predicable cycles. We fear other groups of humans, treat them badly, then eventual recoil in horror at the futility of our negative actions, and step forward once more to embrace inclusion and progress. Hope in the future is therapeutic, as is grasping the cycles of our relatively short history.
3. We humans enjoy entertainment. Politicians are generally not very cool people. They have to have a boredom threshold that confounds joy in living. Trump may well prove to be something a refreshing alternative to the factory-generated politician we’re used to, and his actions in office will be tempered by the restrictions of legislature. He may break the mould and allow a new generation of creative and fresh politicians to emerge. This could actually be useful. Change is therapeutic, as stagnation is often damaging.
If all else fails, put your head in the sand and lose yourself in an escapist box set or 20. And fasten your seat-belts for what may be a bumpy ride.
Like Obama said, the sun will come up in the morning.
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Indeed. I noticed on some lurking during my break that you challenged Arb on his anti-trans stuff – good on you! I find it kind of depressing how many people are happy to overlook that kind of thing.
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Thanks! I do as well. I find a lot of what is going on now depressing, and I notice a lot of people just following along on the train of hate.
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And unfortunately it is hate. They couch it in impartial theoretical terms, which in itself is actually damaging enough in terms of attempting to erase a group identity, but you only have to scrape the surface to reveal true nastiness.
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Probably no surprise here, but I am not feeling the need for therapy nor do I consider myself to be an animal ruled by fear.
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Maybe if you ask nicely, Donald will give your Private Parts a squeeze, IB?
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What is it with you Ark? Are you even capable of grown up conversation? You know Violet’s gonna come back here and yell at you and maybe even throw you out eventually and you still act like an uncivilized frat boy.
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Are you serious Tiribulus?
You would really sit there and actually defend Trump, and his repulsive behaviour, even tacitly and you have a fit because I call Insanity out?
Coming from one of the more disgusting ignorant indoctrinated mysogynist christian fundamentalist fuckwits ever to grow a beard capable of hiding a host of beavers I am somewhat gobsmacked.
Why don’t you pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow?
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Hey Ark! I see you are back in the news!
http://realitywives.net/blogs/florida-man-drove-naked-with-only-wires-attached-to-his-groin-area/
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DP, you sly old anti-fem Catholic fuckwit, how the hell are you, sweetheart? Blown any more priests lately?
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Why no, but I see you are still shrill, self rightous and antisocial. Have fun with that you small bitter man.
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Religion leave a bad taste in your mouth, did it?
Small? *smile* Projecting are we, DP.
Never mind.
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Ark, I don’t have enough time to check on and moderate comments like this as they come in. Final time I ask you to respect other blog guests. Anything else like this will go straight to spam. If you want to spat with these people, invite them to your place or try and encourage them to give you free rein on their posts. You are welcome to give picture and post feedback here, and interact in a pleasant way here.
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He started it. Did you read the link he posted. He’s a nasty little disenfranchised choir boy.
Tell him to stop telling everyone I am small. It is so humiliating. I may need therapy.
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I think your comment to Insanity started it. You could have made the same point by asking her a serious question about the mentality of people voting for someone who made such boasts, without referring to her own private parts. It’s knowing where the line is. But I’ll have a word with dp too. He should know better.
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Yes, I am sorry. I guess she is one of the women who obviously feel no qualms about having a chief executive with a rape charge pending running the country.
Bit like Jacob Zuma in my country, and he got away with it and is still in power.
It would be rather silly of me to expect any reference to having one’s ”pussy grabbed” would make an impression.
Maybe the women who gave him the nod thought dear Donald was referring to a cat?
Ah, yes, of course. Trumpy – Trump is an animal lover!
If DP knew better he wouldn’t be a Catholic, so don’t expect any joy with your terse reprimand.
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“I guess she is one of the women who obviously feel no qualms about having a chief executive with a rape charge pending running the country.”
A much more cutting comment that doesn’t get you written off as simply making offensive and personal insults. Well done!
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But the ”grabber” comment hits home harder.
She and her ilk have enough to say about Christian Values,(sic) ethics and morality that I should have been surprised to read her tacitly giving Trump the nod.
But then I reminded myself that lies hypocrisy and stupidity are also hallmarks of Christianity and its Little Sheep.
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It’s a tribal thing. She’s aligned with the Christian conservative agenda. It’s more about hating your enemy (Democrats) than genuinely loving the alternative.
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Ah,I see! So this is why they can forgive Jesus for cursing a fig tree and murdering lots of pigs by sending them to their deaths over a cliff 8km away, for example
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Exactly! And they can also overlook the violence and vandalism in the temple.
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I wonder if it is because of the rampant hypocrisy, lies and virulent self-interest that prevents someone like Branson from entering politics?
Or anyone who has an interest in philanthropy?
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DP don’t post silly things on my blog in an effort to become like Ark. Behave yourself.
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OK
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Yes, DP, stop trying to be like me. And I am not playing any more so you will have to play with yourself.
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It really is an odd flirtation you two have going.
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😉
I think he really wants to say some truly dreadful things about me but his misguided Christian upbringing ( or lack of cutting intellectual wit) makes him resort to mumbling low grade insults. Then he trots off,says three hail Mary’s, and prays for my soul.
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I’m not convinced he does pray for your soul.
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He’s not allowed to hope I burn in Hell. That’s against the ‘Rules’, isn’t it?
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I’m sure lots of people agree with you. Curious you don’t see yourself as an animal ruled by fear, it’s a pretty basic instinct. Recognising it can be useful in terms of directing it appropriately.
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Curious, Insanity, are you pleased Trump is going to be your president?
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Yes, I’m rather content with the election results.
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Are you excited about having your pussy grabbed?
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Think about the disrespect you are showing, Zande. Think about how rude and crass your words are. They make Trump look like an amateur when it comes to how to act like a boorish oaf.
Your words Zande, and the words of ilk like you, are why Trump is now our President. A wise man would ponder that a while.
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Are you upset by someone talking about grabbing pussy?
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“Your words Zande, and the words of ilk like you, are why Trump is now our President. A wise man would ponder that a while.”
I’d be interested to hear your rationale for this, Insanity. While I don’t support Zande’s approach here (I think it perpetuates or normalises that kind of attitude by attempting to use it a shock confrontation), I can’t see how Zande’s attempt to draw attention to the foulness of Trump’s attitude towards women has made him your president.
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It’s truly bizarre to me that so many people overlook the simplicity going on here. When you spend years calling people “uneducated imbeciles, racists, sexist, rape enablers,” they tend to get angry about the bullying, reject your entire ideology, and vote for change.
Rather than taking responsibility and analyzing what went wrong with the salesmanship, the left seems to believe the solution is to just ramp up the level of disrespect and call people even more names. They don’t seem to understand they lost and they lost primarily due to their own behavior.
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You make me look like a moderating genius zande. Thank you for your wonderful examples of repetitious and masterful diatribes of prolixity.
And the fact that wisp does not tell you to shut up already speaks equal volumes,
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WOW… Never thought I’d see the day an American was embarassed by someone quoting their President.
It’s just an inspirational quote, John. Nothing to cringe at.
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Uh jz, you have said things far worse:
As in………..’there is no God.’ It’s all about the context. While some may be guilty of impropriety years ago, at least others are not guilty of being a fool: today.
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President (elect) on how to treat women
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As I said zande, if Christ Himself was ‘running’ for office…………you would fault Him for being delusional………..(strike these words from the page) so your gripes are irrelevant.
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But before stepping off that bus, first you have the courtesy to put a tic tac in your potty mouth, Zande.
Kind of amusing if you ask me, a majority of women saw through all the rhetoric, all the ideology, all the false accusations of rape and the media onslaught, and let that one small tic tac resonate and speak to them.
You will not understand Zande, but “hey, anybody got a tic tac,” said absolutely no rapist ever.
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Indeed, insanitybytes22. Calling people names hardly ever wins them over. Yet, should one not be allowed to call a racists out on their racism? What about calling out uneducated people on their ignorance? Or what about calling rape enablers out on them enabling rape? Are they deserving to feel bullied? What would you suggest instead?
How to educate the wilfully ignorant? How to stop enabling rape? How to stop racism, if we are not allowed to call racism and racists out on their poor ethics? Silence hardly represents nothing but acceptance and perpetuates the wrongs. Does it not?
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Well, I think a better question to ask is how many racists and rapists have you managed to convert by yelling at them and calling them names? Do you think people rape because no one has ever told them it is wrong? Do you think if you just call a bigot a bigot he’ll have some kind of sudden epiphany and mend his ways?
In truth I believe all the name calling over the past 8 years has really set this country backwards, because we’ve completely neutered the words and rendered them impotent. People like me are now allegedly a racist and a rape enabler, so now those words hold no power, they have no meaning. If everyone is a rapist and a racist, than no one is anymore.
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I agree, with you Insanitybytes22, that some words have been rendered meaningless an impotent by misuse. But I doubt racist, rapist, or ignoramus actually are impotent words. Who would even get upset for being called one, if they were if these words were impotent? I am no rapist, racist, nor do I think you are, but your new president did appealed in his campaign to a culture where such things are not considered such crimes. Did he not? Do you think it is likely, that he will not continue on this path?
I do not know how many racists and rapists have I managed to convert by calling them by such names that fit the bill, or not. It is not in my habit to yell much to people. But I sure hope that I may have influenced a few, potential racists and rapists and especially the potential enablers, by calling those that actually are out on their wrongdoing. I wish I could affect an actual rapist or racist, by forcing them to notice what they are actually doing.
We have a proverb here in Finland wich roughly translated goes like this: “The dog that got hit by the stick, is the one that yelps.” In this context it might refer to people who feel guilty of their inherent racistic, or perhaps rape enabling actions and ideals, or perhaps their laziness in trying to learn how to discern actual information, from false. It could also refer to people who enable a culture in wich such is not seen as such a bad thing at all, but who get upset when they recognize as much in their own (voting) behaviour. Why is it, that instead of taking a critical look at their values, so many rapist culture enablers, racists and racism enablers not to mention people who could not be bothered to find out how things really are, rather dig deeper into their trenches?
What approach would you suggest?
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I voted for Darrell Castle, but it wouldn’t have really mattered to me who won. (Not as much as who I voted for, it at all)
Nobody is completely free from all fear in this life, but it is a rarity for me (honest) and doesn’t last long anymore.
I actually campaigned against Donald Trump, but the God I love is not served by lies and the outrageous and utterly false attacks being leveled at him are about what I expected.
I even defended Obama on occasion when lies were told about him as well.
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Thanks for your comment Tiribulus, and interesting to hear of someone voting for another candidate. I wonder why more US citizens didn’t do the same, given that there was a general distaste for both the main runners. What lies were told about Trump? I missed a lot of it.
I did a quick google on Darrell Castle and see he is a libertarian who wants to decriminalise everything, but is pro-life. Do you think he would have tried to allow everyone freedom to make their own choices on everything, except for women about what grows in their own body? Curious stance.
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If you’re a woman you’re just like half the women in America who voted for THE Donald.
If you are Muslim you can feel safer just like every American will be saver under the Trump Administration.
In other words, the fundamental premise of this post is a Big Lie.
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Half the women? Really? I thought a lot of women did not vote at all.
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Clare,
As usual, your math is impeccable!
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“the fundamental premise of this post is a Big Lie.”
I don’t agree. I’m addressing people who are concerned about the Trump victory, and some of the reasons that just some of these groups are right to be concerned. The fact that 53% of white women in the USA chose to back him doesn’t mean that some women are terrified about what this means for their future. A man who openly talked about groping women has been elected to lead their country. Someone with that little respect for fellow human beings has no place in public office.
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Violet,
Bill Clinton & Hillary.
You never worried about them and they did a lot more than just talk.
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I can see there’s cause for genuine concern with them too. It was an interesting combination of candidates up to their necks in dirt. How did they both get so far?
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Violet,
The Clintons are where they are because of people like you, who believe in them in spite of the fact that they are proven criminals.
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When you say I ‘believe in them’, what do you mean? They certainly exist, but I don’t think I’ve ever supported them politically.
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Hey Violet !! Good to hear from you !! While many in this country (the liberal dem’s who embrace abortion and all the other PC agenda of the country are crying and in fear…we who support the republican platform (not so much Trump himself) have a new calm with someone who can shake up the politicians on both sides of the aisle…
I support pro-life, and want a conservative Supreme court pick (and maybe 1 or 2 more in the next 4 or 8 years) who will advocate our Constitution over being PC… Who knows…they could even overturn Roe vs. Wade and reduce the millions of babies being murdered by abortion…
Our country needed this change !! Time will tell, right ?? 🙂
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Yes, time will tell. Fundamental error in your thinking though – outlawing abortion has no effect on the numbers of women who want it, who require it and who find a way to terminate their pregnancy. You may think you have a moral problem with it, but you have to root this in the reality of human behaviour. If you want to open your country up to illegal abortion facilities, causing damage to millions, that’s they way to go about it. Why don’t you reduce the abortion rate by campaigning for better access to basic birth control? Like in the countries with lower abortion rates. It’s not rocket science ….
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The VP elect wants to teach intelligent design in science classes, and there is already a spike in hate crimes and racist behaviour in schools, which had previously increased with Mr Trump’s candidacy- your google term is “The Trump Effect”. Irony is not strong enough if you face hate in the street. I don’t want to spell out GMF’s handle, it revolts me as a blasphemous lie, but he says Abortion, Abortion, as if the chance of stopping legal abortions (though not illegal ones) makes all the hate and suffering all right.
Meanwhile thousands of Estonians go into the woods every month for insurgency training, anticipating Donald’s pal invading.
Yay for hope. Julian said All manner of thing shall be well, not that it would be easy, comprehensible or comfortable.
Acknowledging victimhood, from Donald’s down, might be a good way to go. Yes, that was awful. It is dreadful that we have suffered that way. How can we come together to alleviate our collective suffering?
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Oh well, those therapeutic strategies above work for me. We never know how things would have gone the other way – a Clinton victory could have intensified the seething fury of the Trump masses and hate crimes would go through the roof. At least this way they’re slightly scared too – not least because he called Obama a good, good man, and has already said he’s keeping key parts of Obamacare. They voted for a liar, they got one.
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You are right to encourage people to take on more perspective. A lot of conservatives were worried in 2008 when Obama was elected and handed a supermajority congress. Obama promptly overreached and handed Congress back to the Republicans. The system does not reward sudden changes. The hysteria is getting out of hand.
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Hey viole twisp
Long time no see. Can I just say without the least bit of accusation, that you are lost as fog regarding middle America. Mr Trump was a product and casualty of America’s demise, and a much needed and obviously heeded voice.
But before you are quick to cry how ‘foul’ he is……….I would remind you that there is also virtue in that despicable Kind Herod………..
But you won’t have a clue as to this possibility either Just sayin.
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Thanks ColorStorm, food for thought, as ever. What about his voice appealed to you the most?
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I have stated many times V that both candidates are flawed and unappealing.
Compared to her-who-would-be-crowned though, daylight wins every time.
There was no greater mind on the bench than Antonin Scalia. Nuff said.
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Relax Colourstorm.
Grab some pussy. Get a good handful. Assault that bitch, because, well, you can do it. It’s Okay. You have treat women like shit.
And after you’ve had that pussy, get some married pussy… It’s all explained how to in “The Art of the Comeback”
Then let’s look the other way as David Duke lynches some niggers. They should never count money… or rent in any of our properties.
And when that’s over, let’s write a cheque to ourselves from our “Charity” to buy that 6ft portrait of ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME.
Enjoy your next 4 years, Y’all
Do please keep the noise down, and when its all over, re-attach the phone lines and call us out here in the world and let us know what emergency aid to send so you can start your rebuilding.
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Wow. JZ really is this unhinged after all.
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Have you grabbed some pussy today?
It’s Okay to do it.
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I actually would genuinely prefer not to see any of you guys get tossed from here. Why don’t you reconsider and ask her to take comments like this down before Violet has to first? Seriously now.
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Answer the question… Have you grabbed some pussy today?
I hear its perfectly fine in your country now.
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Hey greg, maybe we should ask first if zande is drunk……….than we can be a tad more lenient.
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I don’t drink.
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This comment does not deserve a reply, but for the sake of the host I’ll answer.
If Christ Himself was physically in power, and seated on David’s throne, you would accuse Him of having no business experience, you would say since He was homeless, He is unqualified to run the Interior Department; since He never fired a shot, you would say He was unqualified to run the Defense Department; and since He allowed Judas Iscariot to hide in His inner circle, you would accuse Him of the poorest judgment, so, it’s obvious that your gripes will be neverending, and no answer will ever satiate a stomach not hungry for truth.
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You have grabbed some pussy today, haven’t you?
Good for you, CS.
Sexual Assault is now allowed in the US, so go knock yourself out. Have some fun.
And hey, according to the good book, if you go further and rape the pussy she has to marry you!
Wohoo!
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Actually, sexual assault has been allowed in the U.S. since we elected Bill Clinton.
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You’re calling consensual adult sex “assault”?
Interesting.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations Rape, groping and exposure.
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King Herod. Sorry.
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So Violet, let me get this straight: it is not OK for Donald Trump to act like Bill Clinton, but it is OK for these anti-social, Asperger-wannabes Ark and Zande to talk like Donald Trump and harass a woman on your blog?
Now, they will argue they can be vile pigs because they want to teach the woman a lesson, you can’t see the misogyny in that?
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DP, do you know the difference between consensual adult sex (Bill and Monica, for example) and sexual assault (Trump)?
Here’s a hint… One is a crime.
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There were women who credibly accused Clinton of assault and one who accused him of rape. We have known of this behavior since the 90s. Go educate yourself on the matter you old fool.
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Charges ever brought?
Trump raped a 13 year old girl.
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As I said, educate yourself, old fool. I know you are adept at google, you google bible verses all the time to look smarter than you really are.
Trump is a rapist too? Then that makes him just as bad as Clinton.
Say, don’t you have some women o harass?
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You sound like you need to grab some pussy, DP.
Go out and grab some… It’s Okay now.
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And PS.
There is no global warming.
Global warming because of atmospheric CO2 is impossible because CO2 comprises only 400 parts per million of Earth’s atmosphere.
That is MINUSCULE and barely enough to feed the plants that naturally suck up CO2.
Yes, rautakyy, any increase in CO2 would be sucked up by plants and Earth’s vast oceans.
That’s why the name got switched to “climate change” which is totally moronic since change is what climate does naturally.
Clearly, you are a product of the Democrat Party’s horrible public education system.
As always, I recommend that you:
1. Go out and get a brain of your own
2. Get that new brain of yours educated (outside the Democrat Party public education system)
3. Train it how to think clearly.
You can do it!
People have been doing it for centuries.
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Haha, Silenceofmind, that is funny. Do you agree with Donald Trump, that the climate change is a conspiracy by the Chinese, or with his environmental advisor (previously on the payroll of Exxon), that it is a conspiracy by the EU? Or is it just a conspiracy by the scientific community? Much like the scientific community is claimed to be in a conspiracy against Christianity to claim the world to be much older than 6000 years? Are you a conspiracy theorist? There are a lot of conspiracies in the actual world, but would you not agree, that some suggested are just plain ridiculously enormous to be plausible?
Where do you get your information on the climate change? It is absolutely nonsensical and to boost a very, very extreme conspiracy theory.
I am not “the product of the Deomcrat Party’s horrible public education system”, and you assuming as much just goes to show how easily you jump to conclusions. I was born and raised in Finland, whose celebrated educational system has nothing at all to do with your Democratic party. This much you could have discerned from my previous comment, if you could have struggled it through. Why did you not? Did you use as much of deciphering and jumping to conclusions with your analysis about the CO2? Now it looks very much like that is the amount of reasoning effort you put to both of these issues. I bet this is not your intellectual limit, but instead you were, in both cases, just being lazy and allowed your preconceptions get the better of you.
1. Everybody. Absolutely everybody has a brain of their own. That is where their consciousness is produced by electorchemical synapses, not magically in an ethereal and imaginary soul.
2. I have a relatively high education as I have been through a fairly reputable university. What is your education?
3. I think clearly and as evidence of that I can present the fact, that read the texts I reply to through before answering, unlike you.
People can do the third thing and here in Finland anybody, regardless of the social position of their parents, can do the second thing too. Unlike in the US, where you have to pay for a proper education. The first thing is not something anybody can do. Go find out about that, before replying to me.
Besides, I think you, every adult in the world and a bunch of voters in the US should have researched on what the science and the scientific community have to say about global warming and climate change before they voted for this conservative ideal candidate (the gameshow host) for president into power. But could you be bothered? It seems not. Why?
By the way, since you argued only some of my points, did you agree with the rest of them?
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The US elected for a president a gameshow host and for their “first lady” a porn star with the votes of the value-conservatives. This is the folly of conservatism – It is under constant progress. But is it any wonder, that such a liar can become a president in a country, that has so low acheiving educational system, that half the population do not realize why it is ridiculous to believe the world is only some 6000 years old? And calling them out on their ignorance only drives them deeper to the trenches, to defend their ignorance as a part of their identity…
Such superstitious thinking has led the US to be a country where it is OK to suffer, if you are poor. As if it was somehow your own fault if you suffer, because all people are bad (according to some imaginary divine measures), and a just god is going to help you out, if you honestly ask for it do this, never mind, that this is a fairytale. It is a country where a person doing two jobs with such low income that they are not able to pay for their health insurance, is bitter to an unemployed person who might get the insurance for free. Instead of being bitter to a billionare who brags about not having paid their taxes for years. The US is still the only western nation, that has no universal healthcare. It is a shame.
The US people hate taxes, and no wonder, since what are they getting for their taxes? An obviously inpotent and inefficient police force, since almost everybody feels they need a gun for their own protection, an ultra expensive healthcare system that they have to pay from their own pocket, if they actually get sick, secret agencies that monitor everybody and are engaged in all manner of illegal and expensive operations around the globe, that the taxpayer has no clue about, and the by far, far most expensive military in the world, wich has also proven to be rather inefficient to really protect the citizen, but very much working to support the interrests of the corporate capitalist interrests in stealing the raw materials from poorer countries and supporting all manner of regressive governments.
Their democratic process is archaic and ridiculous, when a person who gets less votes can actually win a national election. Why are the votes from some states more valuable than from some others? That is completely unnecessary.
To me it seems Trump got votes in a similar fashion as the Brexit or our very own “True Finns” -party here in Finland. People who feel they have no option seem to finally have a single option to what they do not understand. Trump presented the option to politics that have supported the capitalism, wich has led a lot of the common people into economic distress. People who have no capacity to understand that their predicament is the result of rampant capitalism, because they have been told their previous welfare is a result of this capitalism “trickling down” some of the profits to them, while the rich are robbing the developing countries – or colonies, if you will.
In real life Trump is not an option to the real reason why people feel the pressure of capitalism. He is capitalism incarnate, not just a corrupt politician, in the pockit of a corporate capitalist. But as the gameshow host, that he is, he is also talented in mobilizing the hatred, fear and incapacity to deal with a demand for a politically correct world a lot of the semi-priviledged white trash feel as robbing them of their priviledge. Especially now, that they have had to deal with a previous president, who did not fit their racist expectation of an authoritarian strong male leader.
A former Finnish president Tarja Halonen said, that it is harder for a woman in politics, as she is never good enough for some, because if she fits the cultural preconception of a woman as weak, soft and submitting, then she is not fit to lead, but if she does not fit that unfair preconception, she is seen as cold and hard.
Trump could become a president, when he was claiming that the global warming is a conspiracy by the Chinese and his environment advisor thinks it is a conspiracy by the EU to attack the US economics. (Perhaps, one day they can even agree between themselves whose conspiracy it is.) All in all, this is such blatant nonsense, that it reveals the pitifull ignorance of the average US voter. Sad really, but not just for them, sad for all of us.
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rautakyy,
The Democrat Party has owned the United States public for the last 50 years.
Why not blame them and voters like you for the sorry state of affairs.
Speaking of lying, why not call President Obama out on his many lies.
That he lied about EVERYTHING has been proven beyond any doubt.
And what were Barack Obama and Michelle before Barack was elected president?
They were both part of the Chicago Democrat Party crime syndicate.
Why don’t you care about reality?
Why must you hallucinate gibberish about a man who was elected despite massive voter fraud?
Yes, it looks like at least 3 million illegal aliens and dead people were allowed to vote Democrat.
Why don’t you just back off the verbal fecal storms for a while and see how President Trumps policies fare?
Especially since it’s obvious that President Obama’s failed miserably during his eight years as President.
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Yes, Silenceofmind, I agree with you, that Obama failed miserably. He and his government failed to stop the illegal and inhumane practice of imprisoning the alledged terrorists at Guantanamo Bay torture and concentration camp. They failed to clean up the mess the previous US government caused in the Near- and Middle-East. They failed to provide the US citizens with an universal healthcare system, and a school system, that would be educational enough to explain to them WHY it is false to think the world is just few thousand years old. They failed to provide the people with a continuation of progressive government, that would have made people confident enough not to vote for the fearmongering and lying clown who did get elected now. But the topic post was not about them. Was it?
During the past 50 years you have had several Republican presidents and governments. Have you not? Like for example the one that plunged you into a terrible and terribly costly war about weapons of mass dest… Erm, about nothing in the Middle-East against the nationalists and religious conservatives of those countries, the mess of wich still goes on. And while doing so, they also plunged the economy of your country and a good part of the world down the toilet, while they themselves made a buck of the entire scheme through their investments in corporations like Halliburton. Remember that one? It was not so long ago.
From my perspective, the two party system you have is an utter corruption of democracy. It offers people with little or no choises and ultimately leads to deep division between two extreme partisan camps. At the same time the funding system of your political life makes sure, that all who are to make it in politics are allready dependant on the corporate funding. It is sad, really. I have no love for the US Democratic party, it is right to the most extreme right wing parties in my country, but at least they are not led by a bunch of religious fanatics, not much more realistic than the ISIS, or as obvious liars, as Donald Trump.
I have not heard of this voter fraud you speak of. Can you tell me more about it, and how you came to the information? What sort of journalism has revealed it? One could expect, that if such a thing was actually revealed, it was an international news topic. Why is it not?
I care about reality. I assume you do too?
Back off, you say? Why? So far, I have only reflected on how we came to this point, not so much about what is going to happen in the future. Should we not analyze how we got here? But a lot can be said about the future, by what Mr. Trump has promised to his voters. Or do you think he is going to let them down? There is very little good he can do, to make good for all the evil he has promised to do. The thing is, that his poor voters, obviously are so ignorant they do not even realize those things are evil, but also too lazy to find out about these things, or about the blatant lies he has made. Have you not noticed this?
But I have a terapeutic view on the Trump victory to offer. At least the election was not won by some of the madmen who were put forth as candidates by the Republican party. Like for example a brilliant brain surgeon, who thinks he knows better than any egyptologists or archaeologists in the world what the pyramids are for, or any of those other clowns who think the world is going to end within their lifetime and that it is a good thing. Such madmen as commanders in chief of the worlds largest nuclear weapons arsenal would have been a potential catastrophy.
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To clarify for everybody from my FACEBOOK POST all at once, Old Covenant Israel was an earthly theocracy. That is, a temporal nation ruled by God directly and through men appointed by Himself through prophets who would enforce His law as the civil, moral and religious law for all those in covenant with Him at that time. The natural children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Jews.
In this spiritual and civil economy, two things make it entirely different from the New Covenant age that we live in today.
1. The church effectively WAS the state in that age. All the power of the government was derived directly from God’s law as revealed to Moses. There was no legislative human branch authorized to change the law at any point. (This was the trouble with the pharisees. They ignored that)
2 “My people” refers to HIS people in a nation where EVERYbody, to a man, was under that covenant and therefore HIS people included EVERYbody in that nation AS an earthly people.
This doesn’t mean that everybody was a truly redeemed believer in and servant of the LORD, because that’s not the kind of covenant it was and that’s the point. That covenant promised earthly temporal blessings and encompassed a temporal earthly people defined by human descent within the blood lineage of Abraham.
The NEW covenant, so clearly and gloriously prophesied in the 31st chapter of Jeremiah, 600 years before Christ (and directly quoted in Hebrews chapters 8 and 10), is specifically declared NOT to be like that earthly covenant:
31- “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32-not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33-“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34-“They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
The language God uses through my hero Jeremiah (ohhhhh what a sold out mighty man of God this guy was) portrays the translation of the Lord’s covenant work, from external symbols and types to internal and Eternal realities. How is this covenant to be different from the one they had been historically living under? His law, meaning His word and will, were no longer to be written rules and statutes that His people would be taught to live by in outward obedience by an outward priesthood, which law they broke constantly as he says.
No, under the new covenant, men (girls too), would be given new hearts where His law would live inside them, (by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit as would later be revealed). Here are the points that many folks miss. God says:
“…I will be their God, and they shall be My people….”
Wait a minute here!! Haven’t they always been His people and He their God? In that outward sense, yes, but from the start that never was the goal of God’s covenant with Abraham (Galatians 3, huge sections of Romans and the whole book of Hebrews for instance, make this clear). Remember when Elijah was running from Jezebel and hiding in the cave and complaining to God about the apostasy of his fellow Jews? The prophet felt like he was the only faithful servant of YHWH left in the land. The LORD told him that He had kept for Himself (make no mistake. HE’S the one who does the keeping) 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal.
The best scholarship has Israel numbering at least a million and maybe even a million five at that time. Within that huge mass of visible people living in that fleshly earthly covenant, only a small fraction were actually “His people” in their hearts and therefore His people in reality. Under the new covenant, EVERYBODY actually in that covenant are His people in their hearts. Everybody in this covenant with God is truly saved and every truly saved person is in this covenant. They ALL know Him. From the least to the greatest. As long as they are in that covenant. Not so with Israel. That covenant was outward and earthly and for an outward and earthly kingdom. Most of IT’S human members weren’t actually God’s people at all. Jesus kingdom is, just like His law, now within and in the midst of His Covenant people and not of this world written in stone. (Luke 17:20 and 21 and John 18:36 could use a post all their own)
As an aside, yes there WERE regenerate saints with God’s law on their hearts in the Old Testament age. (David for instance understood that forgiveness came by mercy and not actually by the sacrifice of animals. Psalm 51) They were saved by grace through faith looking forward to the payment upon their redemption, as we are saved looking back upon it, though they didn’t fully understand that at the time. (Hebrews 11) However, the prophets DID have some advanced understanding of the gospel of grace that was yet to come. 1st Peter 1:21 (another big topic)
The point is, that although ALL scripture is for our New Covenant instruction (2nd Timothy 3:16-17) it requires real, time consuming study and dedication to discern which trans-cultural principles and promises belong to both covenants and which were bound up with the earthly old one. However, even in those that ARE bound up with the earthly old one, there are still spiritual principles there for us living in the everlasting new one. Honestly? Once you have this proper framework in your mind for how to understand what’s going on with all this, it’s not very hard to determine what is what.
The problem is, in this modern church world where theology is built upon memes (not that memes are ALWAYS bad) and shallow shoddy paperbacks written by pretty much biblically illiterate celebrity conference speakers, most folks never get that framework in place and consequently go about proclaiming single verses like 2nd Chronicles 7:14 as if they carry straight across promises for Christians living in 21st century America. (Don’t even get me started on Deuteronomy 28) 21st century America is not theocratic covenant Israel. 21st century AmeriCANS are not His people and this is not our land. The New Covenant is not about land at all.
Therefore, any promise spawned from and written to God’s theocratic old earthly covenant, including this one, simply cannot be taken as a direct, in kind promise to Christ’s New Covenant spiritual bride. The “Jesus came to bring social justice to the world” and Word of Faith folks (not that they’re exactly the same), are the among the most egregious offenders at this type of thing. Proof-texting pontification at it’s worst. Again. The problem is with the underlying set of principles that one brings to the text in the first place.
If God makes America the greatest and most blessed and just nation of all time,(which He could) it will be because He has secretly and sovereignly decreed it. Not because He has promised it as something we should expect and make our goal. No such promises can be found in the bible without conveniently lifting selected verses and short passages and coercing them into the service of a preexisting agenda.
Taking this election cycle as an indication, the United States of America, for a list reasons, has become one of the greatest false gods in the history of earth. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for our jealous God, who will not share His glory with another, to leave such an idol any longer dangling in front of the mesmerized church on this continent.
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That was written on my blog for folks at my Facebook page.
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You guys will really hate this. Here is our Pastor’s SERMON from yesterday morning dealing with the election.
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Here’s another Facebook comment:
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The following was a response I gave in a group a few days ago when asked if I looked forward to the judgement/fall of this nation.
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God’s discipline by purifying pagan persecution, His most preferred and long standing method, IS IS IS already well underway.
WHOEVER wins the whitehouse IS God’s judgment. Our being reduced to these candidates IS God’s judgment.
I could practically translate “United States of America” into Romans 1 (a bit too dynamic I know :) ) without doing violence to the intent of the text.
God does not love America. God is not blessing America. God has no special place in His heart for America. That is extra-biblical self delusion and deception on the grandest scale ever.
I don’t actually care who wins this ultimately meaningless election. Either way it IS judgement and discipline. It’s Christ’s glory I’m concerned about, which is always brightest in His bride when she is most fiercely persecuted.
It’s a whoring, world loving, backslidden, dark and rotting harlot church that has failed this nation by her life under the sheets with a culture she is commanded, not to engage, but to confront and call people out of. Has anybody taken a look at Kuyper’s Holland lately? It was inevitable.
Do not misunderstand. I am learning all this the very VERY hard way. I am not setting myself up as some paragon of virtue and wisdom. God has the biggest paddle of all.
And see, here’s the thang.. It requires no particular prophetic revelation to see any of this. It only requires honesty with the text and it’s application to what is CLEARLY before our eyes, no matter what it costs.
It can’t cost me anything else, because He’s already taken EVERYthing. (Chris Brooks knows that whole story). Best thing that ever to happened to me, although it took a while to see it that way. He is a flawlessly faithful and wise Father indeed.
Yes. I LOOOONG for a pure and powerful (two sides of the same coin) church where yes, even evangelism will be far more effective and stripped of all the crippling convenience and ease that she once held so dear, her priorities will be eternally adjusted.
Most professing American Christians care far more about movies, television and sports than they do the things of God. You can tell by what they spend their time and money on.
That is over no matter who is elected. God is going to grab His church by the ankle and drag her out of the world’s bed.
I hasten to reiterate. It requires no particular prophetic revelation to see any of this. It only requires honesty with the text and it’s application to what is CLEARLY before our eyes, no matter what it costs.
I don’t know if I’ll live long enough to see the worst/best of it, but some reading this certainly will. Your children will be far better off without the “American Dream” to seduce them like it has us ____Local Well Known Name Withheld____ .
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I clicked expecting text, and found a video which lasts an hour. I do not have the time to spend, listening to this man rant. I could not even use him to put me to sleep, he shouts so much. Can you give a time index where he specifically addresses the disaster that is Donald Trump, his pussy-grabbing ways, the way he wants to ignore climate catastrophe, the way he boasts he will oppress the poor and the stranger at the gate?
I agree that Joy is appropriate for God’s people. But that does not mean, not seeing when horror is about to happen. Remember the Rabshakeh saying he will speak in Hebrew, so all the people can hear he will make them eat dung? This is a moment of similar threat. The problem is that conservative Evangelicals are supporting the Rabshakeh.
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I told you, you were gonna hate it.
I did not vote for (neither did Pastor Chris), and in fact I campaigned against both of these lowlifes. Who is in office is far less important to me than my credibility as an ambassador of Christ in this doomed decomposing world.
He and I have some differences, but he is of the same mind on what I just said as I am.
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I did not watch the video. Can you summarise what he says? It is disrespectful of you to imagine anyone will give an hour of their valuable time.
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Oh I don’t know about that friend. I watched several hours of videos (and read numerous articles) that Victoria and Ruth posted here and did not fancy myself put upon at all.
I didn’t necessarily imagine anybody would do anything. I just put it here. People can watch it or not.
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Why do you imagine anyone would want to? Does he say Trump is a monster? A hero? The better of two choices? Does he back his view up with any argument? He had this long, waffly, say very little with a lot of words, keep repeating points, blather on for an hour mode.
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I’ll try again 🙂
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I heard you. Do you understand my request? I do not have an hour to spend with this man, I would find it insufferably dull, but if you can give a time where he finally gets to the point, I will watch five minutes of his ranting; or if you can pique my interest with a summary, I might watch more; but yet again you have failed to communicate anything of value, because you have no respect for your potential audience.
So, I will try again. Give me any reason at all why I should bother with any part of this hour long video. Attempt to communicate.
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“…Give me any reason at all why I should bother with any part of this hour long video.”
There is no reason at all why you “… should bother with any part of this hour long video” if you don’t want to.
It is a biblical sermon. Not a soundbite, meme or microwave dinner. It’s an hour for a reason, though the first few minutes are in-house stuff. If you don’t wish to watch it, you are perfectly free not to. No offense, but I will not give a summary that removes anyone else’s possible motivation to watch it for themselves because you don’t want to.
I had no particular goal in putting it over here. Doesn’t cost nuthin, didn’t figure Violet would mind and whatever is done with it is now in God’s hands.
I would be gratified if you watched it. We could talk about how wrong you think he is from the scriptures and why for instance. If not? That’s fine too. O:)
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(oops. Tag typo. I would be most grateful if you could please remove the errant duplicate above Violet. Up yo you of course)
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“…Give me any reason at all why I should bother with any part of this hour long video.”
There is no reason at all why you “… should bother with any part of this hour long video” if you don’t want to.
It is a biblical sermon. Not a soundbite, meme or microwave dinner. It’s an hour for a reason, though the first few minutes are in-house stuff. If you don’t wish to watch it, you are perfectly free not to. No offense, but I will not give a summary that removes anyone else’s possible motivation to watch it for themselves because you don’t want to.
I had no particular goal in putting it over here. Doesn’t cost nuthin, didn’t figure Violet would mind and whatever is done with it is now in God’s hands.
I would be gratified if you watched it. We could talk about how wrong you think he is from the scriptures and why for instance. If not? That’s fine too. O:)
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“Insanitybytes
It’s truly bizarre to me that so many people overlook the simplicity going on here. When you spend years calling people “uneducated imbeciles, racists, sexist, rape enablers,” they tend to get angry about the bullying, reject your entire ideology, and vote for change.
Rather than taking responsibility and analyzing what went wrong with the salesmanship, the left seems to believe the solution is to just ramp up the level of disrespect and call people even more names. They don’t seem to understand they lost and they lost primarily due to their own behavior.
Oddly enough I actually agree ‘ in the main ‘ with this comment.
If one could continually call a child stupid as it grows up, it will, very likely become what the parent has instilled.
This is perfectly illustrated by the unthinking acceptance of the authority figure as represented by the Imaginary deity Christians claim watches over their every move.
Thus, most attempts at trying to get such virulently indoctrinated people to see reason almost always falls on deaf ears and, as Insanity points out, will often induce a petulant kick back effect, that has little basis in critical thought.
The problem of course is that reasonable people have so often tried to get a great many of the religious communities to see reason and have failed dismally, as evidenced by this election, where a great many people seem to have voted for Trump on the flimsy belief he is anti-abortion and perhaps they even hope he will overturn current legislation.
If every conversation one has with such people about their religious beliefs and how they have been warped and then pressed into service to benefit dickheads like Trump and his VP is it really any wonder that eventually, after spitting feathers for goodness knows how long, watching religiously motivated shootings, and religiously motivated wars ( excuses for greed, I know) reasonable people resort to telling such advocates that what they believe is simply a crock of shit.
That these people have NEVER ever been able to reproduce a single scrap of evidence to support their religious views should be telling enough.
If the average age of the religiously motivated right wing republican was five then yes, one could understand how absurd it would be hurling abuse.
However, as these people claim to be grown up, educated, and reasonable, yet still believe Creationism should be taught, that the world needs Fucking Jesus Christ and Yahweh or Fucking Mohammed thank-you-very- much, that we have US evangelicals trotting off to Nigeria to promote the killing of homosexuals then yes, a little name calling is probable in order.
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Hmmm, sophmoric low-brow methods of harrasment… hey, I think I finally found you!
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Wild-Mugshot-El-Segundo-Air-Horn-Arrest-401184385.html
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Truly, DP, your level of juvenile asininity
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But your juvenile asininity is ever fresh!
One of these days I’ll google “creepy guy arrested” and it really will be you!
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As you are so much better looking than me there is every likelihood you will be standing in front of a camera with a rather long number underneath the mugshot, DP.
I imagine the rap-sheet will contain phrases such as ”mens’ bathroom” and ”indecent exposure”.
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..has worn so thin you I doubt you could even get a rise out of a Catholic priest.
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“…these people have NEVER ever been able to reproduce a single scrap of evidence to support their religious views …”
Says the guy who’s left me hanging soon into the third year waiting for a definition of “probability.”
“…we have US evangelicals trotting off to Nigeria to promote the killing of homosexuals then yes….”
The term, “Evangelical,” has no meaningful definition anymore. No true biblically literate Christian in the New Covenant age will call for the execution of homosexuals. Source please?
You really ARE a smart guy Ark. Every once in a while you slip up and allow that to become apparent with a substantive comment like this. Largely (but not completely) wrong though it is.
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You have Google, Tiribulus.
Use it. Or may John Z will deign to entertain your ignorance.
Yes, I am reasonably intelligent which is why protracted conversations with the likes of you is much like root canal treatment with rusty surgical equipment and no anesthetic.
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… rusty surgical equipment…”
Now I have to take it back. Surgical equipment is always stainless steel and other rust free materials Ark. Sheesh. Ya try n be nice to some people… 😀
Oh yeah. Btw, you never gave me a definition because you don’t actually have one. I did say “smart.” Not honest.
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Good heavens’ and you are also unable to recognize biting sarcasm?
With the level of condescension you bring to any blog dialogue ”nice” by your standards would likely be a sugar coated cyanide pill.
Definition of exactly what are you
after Tiribulus?
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I was also joking with YOU Ark. Ya need to lighten up there bub 😀
Cyanide pills are not a Gospel tool so that’s out and there’s no way I’d send you into eternity without my Jesus either.
Probability. Oh don’t act like you can’t remember now. You told me that there’s no such thing as axiomatically ultimate certainty and that “probability” must suffice as the basis for human reason and knowledge and then here I am a few years later begging you still to define “probability” for me.
You did actually copy and paste some brain dead sophomoric non-definition back then that was far beneath your capability, but not an actual definition for what you consider to be the ground of all reason. Seems kinda important for something not to have a definition for.
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Well, I don’t have your eidetic memory so if you wish me to now qualify something from a a conversation I had previously then at least have the courtesy to refresh my memory.
I also doubt I would have used the axiomatic to a fundamentalist Christian as they would likely have had a meltdown looking for the word in a dictionary.
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Stainless steel can actually rust. If it is contaminated by some more common iron. I know, this has nothing at all to do with anything, but I just felt a bit nerdy and since I happen to have worked with steel quite a bit, I thought I would hand you that minute piece of information. You never know where you might need this info in the future… I hope nobody tries to see any metaphorical meaning to my comment.
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from the LA Times: How anti-gay Christians evangelize hate abroad
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kaoma-uganda-gays-american-ministers-20140323-story.html
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Mother Jones: Meet the American Pastor Behind Uganda’s Anti-Gay Crackdown
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/scott-lively-anti-gay-law-uganda
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/world/africa/ugandan-lawmakers-push-anti-homosexuality-bill-again.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Who’s Helping Finance Uganda’s ‘Kill the Gays’ Bill? You Are
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-peron/whos-helping-finance-ugandas-kill-the-gays-bill-you-are_b_2229509.html
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“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)
And before you try and say the OT laws no-longer apply, I will point you to an article penned by the theologian, David McDonnough, who writes.
http://appliedfaith.org/2015/10/06/can-christians-carry-concealed-weapons/
You see, you don’t know how to read the bible.
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Please see THIS. It happens to be the right take on God’s unfolding plan through covenants from Gen. to Rev. though VERY abbreviated. Actually from eternity “past” to eternity “future.”
I don”t care what the L.A. Times opinion page or some hack theologian thinks.
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David says you’re wrong…. and he’s a theologian.
Are you?
No.
End of story, amateur.
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I know what that bible says. I don’t care what some academic apostate says.
Everybody’s a theologian. Including you John.
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The bible says kill gays.
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hey jz
Perhaps you should read the rrrrrrrrrrrrrest of the story. The same book that says certain people should be stoned……………….. PROVES (drum roll please) that YOU have no strength to pick up the stone……………….
And Violet, this Bud’s for you too.
But no zande, this thought will never cross your mind, for you somehow assert your superiority over other men, as well as God Himself.
You have lost every argument against God, and against scripture. The testimony of God’s word lays you bare. But it’s a good thing to be leveled by the goodness of God.
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I know its impossible for you to stay focused jz, if you notice, I expressly answered your comment. At least others will see your flagrant sleight of hand.
I have said enough about the presidency and hardly need to repeat. Now consider again what I said regarding your having ‘no strength to pick up the stone.’
Use your God given brain.
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Hey zande.
Does evil come naturally to you????????????
I say in the presence of God, and before wisp, and all her readers that you lie. ‘President’ Trump never said these words. You are falsely accusing a man to advance your narrative.
Then again, this coming from a man who ascribes ‘evil’ to the Creator, so no surprise.
A man named Donald Trump said these perhaps, but even now, he is not ‘President………..’ he is President elect………….
In the words of your hero rabbi friend: ‘facts are extremely discourteous.’
Once more you are proven to be that which you pretend to despise.
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I really hope viwisp has the courage to agree with me zande. ‘President’ Trump said NOTHING about the military. N.O.T.H.I.N.G.
You are becoming a pimple on this post for your ongoing recalcitrance.
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Hi ColorStorm, apologies I’m not round to moderate more, rushed off my feet with two small kids and a job. But I did quickly check this one, and here’s the transcript from the Fox News interview where he said that: http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/17/donald-trump-running-for-president/
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C’mon Violet, I’m not disputing anything.
I am simply being careful with words. ‘President’ Trump said NOTHING that zande refers to. He said NOTHING that you refer to either………..if you persist in claiming he as PRESIDENT said as much.
He is not the PRESIDENT, yet. I would win this case 100 per cent before a thinking jury.
This is an unavoidable fact. But do take notice how I answered zandes ignorance of ‘stoning’ and how he at whatever cost, must assign, and ignore.
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Just an observation zande if I can play the referee for a minute.
You have no case. If you do not see the egregiousness of your own position insofar that you do not allow God the courtesy of His own existence……….you are in NO position to adjudicate a matter concerning scripture. Let this sink in.
You are unclothed and deny your nakedness. But then again, you have no shame. I have pointed you to Acts chapter seven many times regarding that great theologian.Stephen.and you have laughed him to scorn, yet you suddenly praise a praise a man (cough cough a theologian) because he advances your agenda……………..!!!! Please. Stop the rebellion already.
I’m going with Stephen, ……the true God in heaven……….let God be true, and every man a liar. Don’t believe in God? Uh, that would make you a liar.
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Stirring John. Simply stirring.
That tells me absolutely nothing useful. Like what are the beliefs of these “fundamentalists”, who they are and I don’t see anything about executions there.
“Anti-homosexual” usually means anybody who believes what the literal whole of the entire judeo-christian world has believed for thousands of years until the last few decades of the oh so innovative west.
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The laws are referred to as the “Kill the Gays” because they carry the death penalty.
Is that clear enough for you? Orchestrated (and in some cases actually written) by US evangelicals.
Kill the Gays.
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I need a citation from the groups themselves calling for executions. Do you have that? Maybe you do. I’ll be waiting.
Hearsay from leftists media outlets and un-sourced blog comments will not do.
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And that is why you should have no contact whatsoever with children.
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Yes, absolutely! Anybody who would be so sick and twisted as to demand documentation for claims made on a blog should definitely not be allowed near children. 😉
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And here comes the empty ad hominem assertions. Do you have a statement from any group calling for the execution of homosexuals so I can join you in condemning them or not?.
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Don’t expect another reply.
You make my skin crawl.
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“Kill the Gays” was the label applied by the leftist opposition. NOT by the group itself.
Again. Hard right means: “…anybody who believes what the literal whole of the entire judeo-christian world has believed for thousands of years until the last few decades of the oh so innovative west.”
You have borne false witness John. No known prominent “Christian” organization is actually calling for the death of gays. A clear violation of the 9th commandment. Being that it is the commandment of the one true and living God, it’s sentence is eternal. Just like Him.
There IS PARDON available. His name is Jesus. He will wash you clean make you new. From the inside out. I promise. Far more importantly. HE promises.
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See. I told you, didn’t I?
Revel in your abject ignorance, Tiribulus.
Atheists such as John and I try our very best to ensure that when we post something we try to ensure the veracity of the statement.
Granted, I for one don’t always get it right but most times such statements are spot on.
You and your ilk, on the other hand have what?
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“…Atheists such as John and I try our very best to ensure that when we post something we try to ensure the veracity of the statement….”
Even if this were true, you don’t have much to work with Ark. He is God and we are not. Even your tragic sneering sin will serve Him in the end if persisted in. He always wins.
Come on man. Let’s Skype. I love people. What are you afraid of? .That you might actually like me? 😀 Seriously. What possible harm could come from that? You can use me as a guinea pig and just think wadda great object lesson I could provide in your campaign to escape accountability to your creator.
We could record it and everybody here could hear it. Waddaya say?
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He is God and we are not.
Which god?
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Of God, and of the Holy Trinity.
I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.
II. God hath all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of himself; and is alone in and unto himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; he is the alone foundation of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom, are all things; and hath most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever himself pleaseth. In his sight all things are open and manifest; his knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature; so as nothing is to him contingent or uncertain. He is most holy in all his counsels, in all his works, and in all his commands. To him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience he is pleased to require of them.
III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.
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The only one there is or even can be. He is Himself the standard by which all things are measured and to whom not one particle of reality fails to inescapably testify.
The problem is not evidence Ark. There is nothing BUT evidence for Him. The problem is your blindness in the death of sin. How well I know. I WAS you. “I once was blind, but now I see.” I did not do that. HE did it for me. I never could have nor would I if I could.
Sovereign electing grace. He chose me in Christ before ever He said “Let there be light.” Maybe Hos chose you too. I say again. IF He did? You WILL come. And you will do it in willingly in brokenness, humility and gratitude.
“HO HO HO HO HOW IDIOTIC AND DELUDED THIS &@#%#$^!#$* is!!”
I can hear you already, but that’s ok. My job is to love you and to tell you. I cannot save you. I couldn’t even save myself.
Ya know what’s funny is that if He ever dd make you my brother in Christ, I’d never say I told you so, but you’d probably do it for me.
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And what is the name of your god?
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He has many NAMES, but when Moses asked what to tell the children of Israel when they asked His name (Exodus 3) he said this:
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Moses is a narrative construct. Why do you not know this?
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Now,once more, tell me the name of your god,please.
Tell you what, let’s make it easy, shall we?
What is the name that you call yout god?
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Jesus
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While there is every likelihood there was a smelly little itinerant rabbi running around 1st century Palestine preaching some sort of eschatological message who was crucified by the Romans for sedition – Josephus mentions several ‘Yeshuas’ – the biblical character, the supposedly divine Jesus of Nazareth is simply a narrative construct.
Unless you have verifiable evidence to the contrary, of course?
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You’re AMAZING Ark!! You can smell across 20 centuries from the other side of the world. 😀
Jesus of Nazareth was the only man born the second person of the eternal Godhead without whose equal ultimacy of one and many, this conversation would not be possible. (nor would 1+1=2)
I say yet again. Until we know HOW we know anything at all, ANY questions of WHAT we know are ultimately meaningless.
You will interpret every feature of your reality, including “evidence” of any kind (AND 1+1=2) from the perspective of a rebellious, spiritually dead sinner whose very life depends upon him not being morally accountable to His creator.
It won’t work. It CAN’T work because God Himself has rendered Himself inescapable. His signature is on every particle of His creation, but most especially and most clearly on you as a bearer of His very image and likeness. You, like everybody else, including me, will spend every second of your life devising ways to help yourself believe absolutely ANYthing except that while dead in your sin.
This will never and can never change until He raises you from death in Adam to new life in Christ. This is called being “born again.” Only this time, not as in the natural biological sense, but regenerated spiritually as a new creature in Christ. Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and adopted into the family of the living God, a true child and heir with His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, to all that is His. Bought with His blood and alive with His life.
Then and only then will you be able to see, not just what is right in front of your eyes, but even your eyes themselves testifying to you of His staggering majesty and might, wisdom and power. You draw your next breath because He sustains you and allows it.
You WILL bow that knee my friend. You will either do it in adoring worship as a grateful son or through gnashing teeth as a condemned criminal, but a God who commands light and matter to exist from nothing WILL get His due from you.
God is not the one on trial here Ark. YOU are.
I’d very much prefer you as a brother. He will make you His son. All you have to is agree with His assessment of you and ask. It IS pretty much that simple. The rest will come in time as He grows you up in Himself.
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I reiterate, the biblical character, Jesus of Nazareth is simply a Narrative Construct. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
And if you have any contemporary evidence whatsoever then I will nominate you for a Nobel Prize and I shall even go to any church you care to nominate on Sunday.
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And I reiterate everything I just said.
The devil will take you to church himself Ark. Pick you up and drive. As long as you do not actually surrender your life to Christ and live like it. Our American churches are filled with such false converts.
That’s why were drowning in all this death and debauchery and have been reduced to Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton as our choices for president?
God gave the American church a unique opportunity in history and we blew it on worldliness and carnality in the name of anti-Christian notions of “liberty of conscience.” Long story.
Anyway, being in a good solid church (which are not that easy to find in the U.S. nowadays) is the result of a heart that is naturally drawn to other family members. Not as a means of getting or being right with God.
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What you ”just said” was indoctrinated fundamentalist drivel.
I do not respond to such garbage .
Furthermore, I am not from the US of Eh?
I could not give a flying fark about your dumb-arse hick politics or politicians.
We have enough such half-wits in my own country, thank you very much.
So, contemporary evidence for the character, Jesus of Nazareth if you please.
If not, you are merely pissing in the wind.
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You have my answer.
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“Tiribulus
So, no answer of substance, meaning, no evidence, simply indoctrinated garbage.
As I suggested in the first place.
How on earth do you expect to help to ”Save” people with this sort of stinking attitude?
Nothing but veiled and not so veiled threats
At least my old vicar was a person of understanding, and empathy.
And John is correct.
I hope to all the gods you have no contact with children.
You are a a fucking ignorant moron and disgrace to your faith.
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Again, what on earth do you expect to achieve by foistering this theological garbage on me?
Seriously, you are a disgusting indoctrinated ignoramus.
Provide evidence for your claims or simply do everyone a favour, pull your bottom lip over your head and swallow.
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Ah yes, a word of support here. Michael Card. Rock solid. Has been steady and sober minded for many years. A good man and stout of faith. Some will say he too is a _____________moron, but that’s what this song points out. Truth makes people uncomfortable.
So violet, (since others have their fingers in their ears) hope you can weigh the words of believers against the proof of vile and arrogant godlessness here on your own site……….
We all have a choice. Choose wisely. The poison of hissing accusations make that selection quite easy. The foolishness of God is worthy of pursuit.
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As Tiribulus is unwilling or unable to do so, and you feel compelled to offer support of your fellow unbeliever’s attempt to yet again muddy the waters with theological nonsense, I suggest you step forward and provide contemporary evidence for the character Jesus of Nazareth or be known in a similar vein as your fellow believer – as an indoctrinated charlatan and ignoramus.
And always remember, CS, your rhetoric is a coin that has no purchasing power, no takers, no friends and no ears to hear on sites such as these.
Evidence for you claims, as you are commanded to answer by the text in the bible.
It is a simple as that.
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You make a lousy comedian.
In keeping with the ‘therapeutic perspective’ of this post, riddle me this:
Whose image is on that coin??????????????????’
And what is the response from He whose understanding is infinite which lays bare your ignorance??????
If you cannot admit to the hand of the Creator, then the word of God is a closed book to you.
You will continue to ask the wrong questions, and ignore the plain answers already given.
Here, I’ll help you: Give to Caesar what is his, and give to God what is his…………….’
Since this post is government related, it makes sense to recognize the government of God over ll things.
Now take your fingers out of your ears.
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Provide the contemporary Evidence for the character Jesus of Nazareth, Colorstorm, and we may have reason to reconsider. Otherwise you are merely whistling in the wind.
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Sure, I’ll provide your ‘contemporary’ evidence if you can first prove it snowed two thousand years ago.
Hearsay is not acceptable………….
But is seems you have veered off course from this thread already…….
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Then if hearsay is not acceptable your Jesus of Nazareth is simply a narrative. Keep whistling CS.
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Ah but ark, and zande, you miss the greater point.
Depends on who is doing the ‘saying.’ I rather prefer the testimony of good men. Women too of course.
But whether it be Trump, Caesar, Nero, Bush, Thatcher, Clinton, Hitler, God knows all about it.
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You have yet to provide evidence for your god. This is the point you gleefully ignore – because you are simply indoctrinated. Although in your case I might be tempted to suggest you are a fraud and a liar.
But if you have contemporary evidence then that would be a good start.
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Sure, I’ll provide your ‘contemporary’ evidence if you can first prove it snowed two thousand years ago.
I can not only show you it snowed 200,000 years, I can show you how much it snowed… It’s called arctic ice sheet sampling.
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